Hi Dave,
Am 13.03.2012 um 19:42 schrieb Dave Fisher:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Sorry for the delaying in responding directly to your generous offer.
sorry for the delay on my side as well.
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Peter Pöml wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 04.03.2012 um 23:43 schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>
>>> Am 03/04/2012 08:02 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>> With the Oracle infrastructure going away we are in danger of losing the
>>>> legacy downloads and the root of the MirrorBrain network.
>>>
>>> I haven't realised that this counts also for the download webserver. I
>>> thought for mail services only.
>>
>> Is it definite that {download,updateext}.service.openoffice.org is going to
>> be switched off - and when is it?
>>
>>>> Also it turns out that the Extensions site uses the url
>>>> updateexte.services.openoffice.org for updates and that url points to
>>>> download.services.openoffice.org
>>>
>>> I don't know the reason for the linking. But maybe it's because a few
>>> extensions are outsourced from the main repository due to their high load.
>>> See:
>>>
>>> http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/extended/extensions/
>>
>> /ExtensionUpdateService/check.Update is one of the most popular files - with
>> around 5-10 requests per second.
>>
>>
>>>> SourceForge has asked to take control of
>>>> updateexte.services.openoffice.org which makes sense.
>>>
>>> Great.
>>>
>>>> What do we want to do about download.services.openoffice.org?
>>>
>>> It can be switched to the alternative host which is hosted by MirrorBrain
>>> itself, so that this is used for serving downloads instead of the Oracle
>>> hosted service.
>>
>> Please note however that my fallback of download.services.openoffice.org
>> does not have all features. It has the mirror redirection (the essential),
>> but does not serve cryptographic hashes for verification, no automatically
>> generated torrents, no metalinks.
>>
>> If you compare the following two URLs, you can note the differences:
>> http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/stable/3.3.0/OOo_3.3.0_Solaris_Sparc_install-wJRE_en-US.tar.gz.mirrorlist
>> http://openoffice.mirrorbrain.org/stable/3.3.0/OOo_3.3.0_Solaris_Sparc_install-wJRE_en-US.tar.gz.mirrorlist
>>
>> Also, what's not visible, is that the fallback host doesn't count downloads.
>>
>> Mirror selection and redirection are the same. But as you might know, large
>> downloads benefit from means for download verification, which is why crypto
>> hashes and metalinks/torrents are useful, especially affecting downloaders
>> with not less-than-ideal connectivity.
>>
>> To set up a full fallback, I am lacking the disk space, unfortunately. I
>> don't have space for the file tree. (I would appreciate donations for
>> running costs of disk space, or access to server, very much.)
>>
>> But, no problem, there is the option of continuing by switching to my host
>> as it is.
>>
>> Given there is hardware, I could set up a successor for
>> download.services.openoffice.org, respectively move it to a new home, if
>> there is interest...
>>
>> Well I hope there is! I know I am biased, because I'm the one who built
>> download.services.openoffice.org, and spent some years with it. But I'd bet
>> some money that nobody wants to go back to pre-MirrorBrain times, where the
>> really close mirrors were always ignored when you downloaded
>> OpenOffice.org...
>>
>>> See the file "http://www.openoffice.org/download/globalvars.js";. Just
>>> exchange the content for the "MIRROR_MIRRORBRAIN_URL" and
>>> "MIRROR_MIRRORBRAIN2_URL" variables.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> By the way, here's a disclaimer: I'm also the "head" behind LibreOffice's
>> download system. Yes, if you might wonder: I am maintaining the download
>> servers of both projects and have no problem with that :-)
>
> Neither do I. The purpose is to preserve the legacy for those who still
> require access. Apache OO will use Apache Infrastructure and Mirrors (many
> the same) and having someone take responsibility for this legacy would be
> wonderful.
>
> If you have successor hardware ready then the simple way to proceed is to
> change the dns for download.services.openoffice.org dns to point to your
> server. This server is then the "root" of the mirrorbrain network and you
> will be responsible for dealing with mirrors.
Well, not really, since the mirror network is "headless", I'm only redirecting
an old state of the tree, without being the root of the network. I'd be the
root of the network if mirrors would sync from me. But the mirrors have
traditionally synced from another place. (For historical reasons, too lengthy
to explain, download.services.openoffice.org hasn't been the root of the mirror
network either.)
Wondering: download.services.openoffice.org was changed to point to my server I
thought, but it's pointing to the Oracle server again now. Was it changed back?
Peter
