On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 23:00 -0700, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM, drew <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 19:39 -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > > > Hi Drew; > > > > > > --- Gio 12/4/12, drew <[email protected]> ha scritto: > > > > On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 21:09 -0500, > > > > Pedro Giffuni wrote: > > > > > Peter; > > > > > > > > > > it's really amazing to see level of support and general > > > > > service that mirrorbrain has provided historically for > > > > > OpenOffice. > > > > > We haven't said no to mirrorbrain but you do understand > > > > > that we just couldn't > > > > > turn down the extra support offered by sourceforge. > > > > > > > > Why not? > > > > > > > > > > Because we just have no basis for rejecting mirrors. > > > > Sure we do, groups; particularly non-profits turn down offers from > > commercial operators all the time. Lets be clear the SF offer is not all > > about contributing to the project it is also to some degree about their > > commercial concerns - it is their business model. > > > > > Let's be very clear about how we got here in the first place. As of the > 19th of March we were told by Infra that our help was welcomed. Just like > for the Extensions/Templates we committed to help, describing in detail > what we planned to do, eventually getting the green light on that plan. > > > > > > > > Personally, I'm not totally ad adverse, but there really needs to be a > > good reason for doing so IMO and I certainly am not eager about dishing > > up ads to try a free subscription to MSO 365 while waiting for your AOO > > download to finish - if it can be reasonably avoided. > > > > We are used to working with projects to make sure that displayed ads don't > undermine the projects' mission, and we intend to work with the PPMC if any > issue with competitive ads arise. > > > > > > > Infra did ask us to contact previous mirrors so we > > > need them, and the more, the better. > > > > Yes, they did. > > > > > > > > I think you misunderstood: we really haven't voted at > > > all concerning mirrorbrain. and there was never any > > > notion of sourceforge's offer being exclusive. We will > > > accept all the mirrors that offer to carry us. > > > > But SF really isn't an offer of mirror servers, it is asking us to > > divert our traffic to their site for inclusion in their business > > operations. > > > > We offered help exactly in the way we were asked. It is true we have to > balance the needs of our business with our desire to help the community, > but it's unfair to suggest that we are not acting in the best interest of > Apache OpenOffice.
I wasn't suggesting anything, I believe I was quite clear - this contribution will form a symbiotic relationship. //drew > > Roberto > > > > > > > > > > I do recall infra had issues concerning how to make > > > mirrorbrain work with the Apache mirrors but that is > > > a completely different issue outside the scope of the > > > PPMC or decisions that are taken here. > > > > Right - and that discussion presumed that there was a need to bring the > > mirrorbrain servers into the Apache mirror network, the question is how > > did that decision come about. My understanding is that this comes from a > > standing policy decision at Apache, that Apache releases go out on > > Apache mirrors - I guess that's correct? > > > > Well, if that is the case then how do you reconcile SF - in the case of > > extensions/templates it was easy, they are not official Apache > > releases. > > > > In the case of the binary releases I guess it is the same thing then, > > certainly there is plenty of reason to believe that a good portion of > > Apache does not consider any binary release as official - just a > > convenience, which is fine - but then we are back to the question of why > > not use the system already in place - mirrorbrain? > > > > //drew > > > > > > > > Pedro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== > This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It > may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately > notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any > attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
