On 04/30/2012 11:31 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dave Fisher
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:29 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/30/12 9:12 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>>>> On 4/27/12 10:09 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/27/2012 12:47 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 04/27/2012 09:34 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 04/27/2012 08:49 PM, schrieb J�rgen Schmidt:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/12 5:32 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/4/27 J�rgen
>>>>>>>>>>> Schmidt<[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be prepared for the upcoming release I plan
>>>>>>>>>>>> to use the following directory structure on
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooo<https://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Existing
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3 3.3/patches 3.3/patches/cve-2012-0037/...
>>>>>>>>>>>> DATE KEYS
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> New added: 3.4.0/source 3.4.0/windows/...
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.4.0/windows/languagepacks/..**.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.4.0/macos/... 3.4.0/macos/languagepacks/...
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.4.0/linux-x86/...
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.4.0/linux-x86/languagepacks/**...
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.4.0/linux-x86-64/...
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.4.0/linux-x86-64/**languagepacks/...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 languages: en-US ar cs de en-GB es fr gl hu
>>>>>>>>>>>> it ja nl ru pr-BR zh-CN zh-TW
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we need to prepare or adapt the download
>>>>>>>>>>>> page?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Juergen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Juergen--
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This will considerably change the current logic
>>>>>>>>>>> being used. Is there some reason you don't want
>>>>>>>>>>> to use the existing setup of:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> root DL area/files/stable/3.4/... root DL
>>>>>>>>>>> area/files/localized/3.4/...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> see:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
I had a look to other projects in the dist folder on Apache and
>>>>>>>>>> looked what we already have.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From my point of view the old structure doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> really make too much sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why should we for example put the localized bit in
>>>>>>>>>> separate directories when we have the language Id
>>>>>>>>>> as part of the name?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And we have only stable releases in the future. Ok
>>>>>>>>>> we will have archives of older versions but that's
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do we have the time to adapt it to the new
>>>>>>>>>> structure. We should do it ow if possible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do others think?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It won't work because the DL logic is working the old
>>>>>>>>> way, and only this way. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The old structure has everything in a single
>>>>>>>>> directory. The only separation is for en-US only
>>>>>>>>> (stable) and all other languages (localized).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When we change the structure now where the builds are
>>>>>>>>> physicaly existing, then we have to adapt the
>>>>>>>>> complete logic, too, which is an effort that I cannot
>>>>>>>>> predict.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, the best solution is to keep the old separation
>>>>>>>>> and think about to change this with a new release.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then I would prefer to have every install file for a
>>>>>>>>> specific version in a single directory. This makes it
>>>>>>>>> the easiest way to assemble download links:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Example:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <root-path>/files/3.4.0/...
>>>>>>>>> <root-path>/files/3.4.1/...
>>>>>>>>> <root-path>/files/3.5.0/... ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can only keep the most current version in Apache
>>>>>>>> dist. All older versions go to the archive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh yes, right, then it's only one directory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> right now -- especially with the desire to continue to
>>>>>> serve up "friendly" dl logic in the new /download/3.3.0
>>>>>> directory, this is really and truly critical. Yes, it's
>>>>>> true, given the Apache current release dictum, we will only
>>>>>> have one directory setup --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/stable
>>>>>> /dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized
>>>>>
>>>>> ok that means I will upload the files in this way
>>>>>
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/stable/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
.../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/stable/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg.asc
>>>>>
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/stable/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg.md5
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
.../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/stable/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg.sha1
>>>>>
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/stable/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg.sha512
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
.../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/stable/...
>>>>>
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/de/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_de.dmg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
.../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/de/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_de.dmg.asc
>>>>>
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/de/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_de.dmg.md5
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
.../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/de/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_de.dmg.sha1
>>>>>
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/de/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_de.dmg.sha512
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
.../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/de/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/ar/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/cs/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/en-GB/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/es/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/fr/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/gl/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/hu/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/it/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/ja/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/nl/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/pt-BR/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/ru/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/zh-CN/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/localized/zh-TW/...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> to be complete
>>>>
>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/3.4.0/source/...
>>>
>>> I plan to work on an Apache Mirror version that will include
>>> source. I think that should be on the project site and can
>>> include the binaries as well.
>>>
>>> The Apache style cgi is not directly compatible with the OOo
>>> MirrorBrain style nor the SF version.
>>>
>>
>> But is it the case that the scripts/cgi's are assuming a directory
>> structure? If so, the path of least resistance will probably be a
>> build script that produces upload trees in the various expected
>> formats. Maybe even generates the HTML. In other words, this
>> might be easier to solve as a build issue than a site runtime
>> issue. But I'm probably wrong.
>
> The difference is when the mirror is selected.
>
> In the Apache cgi approach - it is all selected in the server before
> the dl page is displayed.
>
> In the SF and MirrorBrain - it is selected by SF as the DL is
> chosen.
>
> But yes a single file could define the paths.
>
> We have the following dimensions - in no particular order.
>
> (1) Mirror. (Apache, SF, MirrorBrain) (2) Language. (en-US , ....)
> (3) OS. (Windows, MacOS, Linux, ...) (4) Package. (Binary, Source,
> ...) (5) Version.
>
> - The new DL gives SF, user lang, user OS, Binary and version 3.4.
yes...this is figured out in js
> - The new other gives SF, any lang, any OS, Binary/Source and version
> 3.4
yes...this is the plan. Even though js is brought in here, I *THINK*
right now all these links are hard-coded.
>
> - The adapted legacy gives MirrorBrain, user lang, user OS, and a
> version 3.3 or earlier. - The adapted other gives MirrorBrain, any
> lang, any OS, Binary and version 3.3 or earlier.
yes...Marcus put this back to MirroBrain
>
> - The new project site DL should be Apache, Source, version 3.4. -
> Optionally add "new other" content to the project page.
>
> We must distribute the "Apache Official" source release using Apache
> Mirrors. Work has been done here as well.
>
> Does the above look like the most reasonable set of DL pages?
>
> Back to the problem.
>
> We can define functions to convert these (5) pieces of information
> into the correct URL. Given the differences in the approach each
> mirror should have a unique path generation function that wraps the
> core function.
>
> ApacheMirrorURL MIrrorBrainURL SourceForgeURL
>
> should all extend OpenOfficeURL - this generates the path and this is
> what follows the directory structure.
>
> So, I would say that we will want to generate from a file. I think we
> can do this with the Apache CMS. An xml file is probably best.
>
> My goal will be to have the "openoffice.cgi" be informed by such a
> file.
well this sounds like a nice goal...
>
> Regards, Dave
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> Regards, Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Juergen
>>>>
>>>>> Note that I don't use the version in the localized folders
>>>>> again. Otherwise we have to change it to
>>>>>
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/stable/3.4.0/...
>>>>> .../dist/incubator/ooo/files/localized/de/3.4.0/...
>>>>>
>>>>> Juergen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously, once we get past this release, we could and
>>>>>> should discuss this some more, but for now...we don't
>>>>>> really have time to re-do the logic for a different
>>>>>> directory setup
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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