On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 18:35, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:35 AM, drew <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 08:16 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote: > > > On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this > > > > > structure > > > > > > > in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forward. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are > > actually > > > > > > > distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with > > > > > > > security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adware > > > > > > > inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with > > > > > > > initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone > > > > > > > known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sell > > > > > > > what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we could do to protect our users is something like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD > > > > > > > distributors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the > > logo, > > > > > > > but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OpenOffice and > > > > > > > nothing but OpenOffice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page -- > > > > > > > > > > > > *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any > > CD-ROM > > > > > you > > > > > > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users. > > > > > If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and > > > > > contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of > > > > > opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting > > > > > involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and > > have > > > > > a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then > > > > > let's do it. > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, imagine the parallel: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for > > > > > downloading OpenOffice > > > > > > > > > > 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO. > > > > > > > > > > 3) We allow them to use the official project logo > > > > > > > > > > 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads > > > > > > > > > > 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various > > > > > scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download > > > > > sites > > > > > > > > > > You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd > > party > > > > > download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would > > > > > not really help the users. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, we would never do something like that with download links. > > > > > But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically > > > > > makes it better. It is still a swamp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do > > that... > > > > > > > > > > Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working > > > > > > > solution for the future. > > > I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand. > > > > > > Hi Juergen > > > > Those damed folks where just clingers on anyway - I am sure you agree. > > > > //drew > For now, I just completely commented out the CD ROM and ISO image stuff > from the new download page. I can work on this in a bit and when we have > what we like I'll put it back in. > +1
Juergen > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > MzK > > "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you > And life has a funny way of helping you out > Helping you out." > -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette > >
