Hello? Is this thing on? This project has a whopping 9GB website that all of maybe 5 people on the planet know how to takecare of, and it is rife with stale information inherited from a different past. The website is a *community* resource and that means *everyone* is responsible for its upkeep. You should be working hard to ensure that *everyone* is capable of fixing it, not making exceptions for certain committers just because they do special things for you in other areas. Anyone can use the CMS to submit a patch, and had Hagar done at least that much I wouldn't have anything to gripe about.
The technology that facilitates website maintenance happens to be a CMS, but really it is no more challenging to work with than the average wiki. Get over it, it's not a technological barrier for anyone capable of using a web browser, that means Hagar is part of the intended user base, despite his attitude towards it. ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: Java download link on AOO site > > Hagar Delest wrote: >> Le jeu. 12 juil. 2012 21:19:50 CEST, Joe Schaefer >> a écrit : >>> Hagar is a committer, that comes both with certain rights and certain >>> responsibilities, the latter of which is to not bother others with work >>> he can carry out effectively himself. >> Don't tell me that since I'm a committer I've to comply with > all the >> package that goes with it. Why doesn't Apache adapt to a project that > is >> rather new for it, doing with a large user base and side areas like >> forums, NL teams, ...? > > More than an "Apache way vs OpenOffice tradition" fight, this is about > the role of volunteers. I find it perfectly acceptable that a volunteer > chooses > certain areas due to personal inclinations and neglects other non-vital > areas: > volunteering is supposed to be fun in the end. Likely, most committers have > (or > can reach) the technical knowledge to fix bugs, but this would be highly > ineffective for most of them, and "Please learn C++ and fix it > yourself" has been regarded so far, and should still be regarded, as > offensive towards someone who is just reporting a bug or doing QA. > >> So let's me say that I'm now really fed up with your lessons. >> So do what you want, I don't care. But forget about new blog posts from > me. > > I hope this eventually is forgotten and Hagar's contributions can continue > as usual, but I'd say this is a natural outcome of this conversation. What > else could come out of it? And do we really need this kind of discussions? > The > PPMC votes committers in because of merit, and it's very rare that a > candidate's merits span all over the project: most times one can do a very > relevant contribution by helping in the one area of the project he likes most > (be it user support on the forums, or on the mailing lists, or localization, > or > programming...). > > Regards, > Andrea. >
