On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Ross Gardler >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I'm unable to vote either way until: >>> >>> A) a PMC chair has been identified by the community >>> >>> B) a resolution for the TLP is prepared which will define what we are >>> voting on >>> >> >> Those points will be addressed in the proposed Resolution we send to >> the IPMC. What we're having right now is the preliminary "community >> graduation vote", which according this diagram from the IPMC's "Guide >> to Successful Graduation" occurs *before* the charter is created: >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel >> >> Not that this same guide says of this community vote, "It is unlikely >> that IPMC members will vote to approve graduation unless the Mentors >> and community positively express their readiness for graduation. " So >> I am slightly concerned that you do not feel able to vote in this >> ballot, which merely expresses (per the graduation guidelines) our >> readiness for graduation. > > "Community Graduation Vote > > "A community needs to be willing to govern itself before it can become a top > level project. A good way to demonstrate this is through a free VOTE (by the > community) on the graduation proposal. > > "This VOTE is not a requirement but is recommended. It is unlikely that IPMC > members will vote to approve graduation unless the Mentors and community > positively express their readiness for graduation. It is wise to copy the > incubator general list when the vote is proposed." > > I think that "the graduation proposal" is often understood to be the Charter > and therefore (1) and (2) are swapped in current, undocumented process, but I > could be wrong. >
Look at the diagram: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel Do you see any way to read it consistent with your interpretation? -Rob > Regards, > Dave > > > > >> >> -Rob >> >>> Note, I'm generally in favour of the proposal but I do want to be sure that >>> the community has the resources it needs to continue to build and maintain >>> a healthy,vibrant and inclusive community. There are some candidates for >>> PMC chair that I can think of, but I don't know if they want the role. >>> >>> In a healthy community the PMC role is just taking responsibility for board >>> reports (not necessarily writing them, just making sure they get written) >>> and any community actions requested by the board. It shouldn't be a time >>> consuming role, but it can become so on occasion. >>> >>> This query should not prevent the community expressing their opinion in the >>> vote. I just wanted to let you know why I will be abstaining. You only need >>> my vote when it comes to the actual graduation vote. >>> >>> Ross >>> On Aug 19, 2012 4:53 PM, "Rob Weir" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Please vote in the main [VOTE] thread, and have discussion in this thread. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >
