On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I suggest that the initial Project Management Committee (PMC) needs to be >>> identified before the election of a Chair from that body is undertaken. >>> >> >> There is a bootstrapping issue with that suggestion. The PMC does not >> exist until the ASF Board creates it. And the Board has veto power >> over that list. So all we have at this time, formally at least, is >> the PPMC. > > No bootstrapping issue at all. The Charter Resolution consists of the PMC and > the Chair. It is typically moved forward by the Chair as well. > > The Chair is a member of the PMC. >
The proposed Chair is a proposed member of the proposed PMC. See the difference? The question is: who determines what is proposed? The proposed PMC? That there is your bootstrapping issue. >> >>> Also, this seems like a very good time to review, for the benefit of all >>> here, what the duties of PMC members are and, with respect to that, what >>> the specific responsibilities of the Chair are and what the special >>> standing of the Chair is so its accountability can be carried out. >>> >> >> Indeed. That is why my 2nd sentence was to point to a link that >> describes exactly this. > > And after we review then we need to go into executive session on ooo-private. > Even if there is only one volunteer someone may have legitimate personal > questions that they need to ask. > > We also should take at least one week and not 72 hours. > > Regards, > Dave > >> >> -Rob >> >>> - Dennis >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:36 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process >>> >>> Now that the community graduation ballot has passed, one of our next >>> tasks is to identify a PMC Chair. >>> >>> You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: >>> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair >>> >>> How do we want to do this? >>> >>> A strawman proposal: >>> >>> 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate >>> someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course >>> nominations can be declined. >>> >>> 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there >>> are no sustained objections. >>> >>> 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for >>> another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some >>> subjects might be directed to ooo-private. >>> >>> 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees >>> then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes >>> would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates we >>> would probably need to use a more complicated voting system, or have a >>> run-off vote if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. >>> >>> Any improvements or alternatives to this basic scheme? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> -Rob >>> >
