@sebb

Yes, what you say about the position of the Chair (and also how the chair 
accomplishes that as an officer of the ASF) was what I had in mind.

With regard to the PPMC, here is a roster of the *current* PPMC (subject to 
corrections anyone notices):

    Kai Ahrens : kahrens PPMC
    Florent André : florent PPMC
    Dave Barton : bmcs PPMC
    Mathias Bauer : mbauer PPMC
    Cyril Beaussier : bidouille PPMC
    Stephan Bergmann : sb PPMC
    Raphael Bircher : rbircher PPMC
    Simon Brouwer : simonbr PPMC
    Arthur Buijs : artietee PPMC
    Jin Hua Chen : chenjinh PPMC
    Jian Hong Cheng : chengjh PPMC
    Ariel Constenla-Haile : arielch PPMC
    Yuri Dario : ydario PPMC
    Hagar Delest : hagar PPMC
    Herbert Dürr : hdu PPMC
    Claudio Filho : filhocf PPMC
    Andre Fischer : af PPMC
    David Fisher : wave PPMC
    Thomas J. Frazier : tj PPMC
    Roberto Galoppini : galoppini PPMC
    Pedro Giffuni : pfg PPMC
    Wolf Halton : wolfhalton PPMC
    Dennis E. Hamilton : orcmid PPMC
    Don Harbison : dpharbison PPMC
    Regina Henschel : regina PPMC
    Ivo Hinkelmann : ivo PPMC
    Kazunari Hirano : khirano PPMC
    Martin Hollmichel : mhollmichel PPMC
    Jim Jagielski : jim PPMC
    Drew Jensen : atjensen PPMC
    Christoph Jopp : cjopp PPMC
    Damjan Jovanovic : damjan PPMC
    Peter Junge : pj PPMC
    Yegor Kozlov : yegor PPMC
    Marcus Lange : marcus PPMC
    Graham Lauder : yo PPMC
    Armin Le Grand : alg PPMC
    Steve Lee : stevelee PPMC
    Wang Lei : leiw PPMC
    Christian Lippka : clippka PPMC
    Ian Lynch : ingotian PPMC
    Yong Lin Ma : mayongl PPMC
    Carl Marcum : cmarcum PPMC
    David McKay : thegurkha PPMC
    Ingrid von der Mehden : ingrid PPMC
    Antón Méixome : meixome PPMC
    Maho Nakata : maho PPMC
    Albino  Neto : bino28 PPMC
    Andrea Pescetti : pescetti PPMC
    Frank Thomas Peters : fpe PPMC
    Allen Pulsifer : apulsifer PPMC
    Eike Rathke : erack PPMC
    Manfred Reiter : fredao PPMC
    Zoltán Reizinger : r4zoli PPMC
    RGB.ES : rgb-es PPMC
    Phillip Rhodes : prhodes PPMC
    Andrew Rist : arist PPMC
    Lawrence Rosen : lrosen PPMC
    Roberto Salomon : salomon PPMC
    Juan C. Sanz : jucasaca PPMC
    Kay Schenk : kschenk PPMC
    Jürgen Schmidt : jsc PPMC
    Yang Shih-Ching : imacat PPMC
    Jomar Silva : homembit PPMC
    Kai Sommerfeld : kso PPMC
    Louis Suárez-Potts : louis PPMC
    Stefan Taxhet : st PPMC
    Malte Timmermann : malte PPMC
    Zhe Wang : wangzcdl PPMC
    Rob Weir : robweir PPMC
    Oliver-Rainer Wittmann : orw PPMC
    Jian Fang Zhang : zhangjf PPMC
    Xia Zhao : lilyzhao PPMC

-----Original Message-----
From: sebb [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:17
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process

On 23 August 2012 19:22, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:
> I suggest that the initial Project Management Committee (PMC) needs to be 
> identified before the election of a Chair from that body is undertaken.

The initial proposed PMC for other podlings has usually been taken
from the PPMC membership, but dropping any inactive (or unwilling)
members.

> Also, this seems like a very good time to review, for the benefit of all 
> here, what the duties of PMC members are and, with respect to that, what the 
> specific responsibilities of the Chair are and what the special standing of 
> the Chair is so its accountability can be carried out.

http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc-members
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair

The PMC chair is a position of responsibility (to the PMC and Board)
rather than authority over the PMC.

>  - Dennis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:36
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process
>
> Now that the community graduation ballot has passed, one of our next
> tasks is to identify a PMC Chair.
>
> You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>
> How do we want to do this?
>
> A strawman proposal:
>
> 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours.  Anyone can nominate
> someone for the role.  Self-nominations are fine.  And of course
> nominations can be declined.
>
> 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there
> are no sustained objections.
>
> 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for
> another 72 hours.  Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some
> subjects might be directed to ooo-private.
>
> 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees
> then we vote.  Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes
> would be from PPMC members.  If there are more than 2 candidates we
> would probably need to use a more complicated voting system, or have a
> run-off vote if none of the nominees receive an outright majority.
>
> Any improvements or alternatives to this basic scheme?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>

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