On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Bullshit. The policy is as old as the org itself and applies equally >
The problem is that when someone questions what the policy is, as several IPMC members have already, the response goes no further than yelling that the policy is well-known, obvious, unambiguous, clear, etc. No one is questioning the age or the equal application of the policy. Shutting down the discussion, without resolving the issue, just leads to it emerging later at another point. In fact, if you go back to the general.i.a.o discussion from June 2011, when the AOO podling was first proposed, some of the same concerns were raised by some of the same IPMC members. They were not resolved then. They were not resolved this time. What do you think happens next? Do you really think that there is clarity now and this will not just come back again, weeks or months later? The IPMC is welcome to run themselves as they wish. But I sincerely hope that the AOO project will not emulate or tolerate this kind of behavior and interaction. It is very unwelcoming to newcomers to have that mixture of condescension and bullying when questions are asked. > to every project in the org including this one. Rob, if you had the vaguest > clue about the history of what the httpd project produces you would have > some idea of what the written policy is meant to cover. People who don't > bother > to look often wind up making ignorant remarks about the written policy; > such is the nature of orgs which have zero educational standards for > participation at any level. > Certainly unwritten policies are even more susceptible to ignorant remarks. > Policy writing itself is a long and painful process in a bottom-up org. > Very few people have enough experience with the diversity of our projects > to ensure the policy accurately reflects current activity. The only person > who I've seen be consistently successful is Roy, and even then not without > input from others. > I appreciate the challenges of writing organizational policies. I've done this in other organizations. But as you say, this policy "is as old as the org itself ", and yet when it is shown that those who are charged with implementing the policy for podlings (IPMC members) cannot agree on what the policy is, there is still great resistance to writing it down, amounting to even personal attacks against those who even suggest doing this. > Your are welcome to get off your armchair and participate constructively > with others who care about the policy documentation over on site-dev@. Indeed I did propose a statement of the policy. I believe I'm the only one who did. But at the same time others posted that it would be unwelcome to make any website changes without further discussion. > Otherwise I suggest you drop the antagonistic and over-the-top prose. I sincerely hope that nothing I said is taken as antagonistic. Regards, -Rob
