Hi Oliver,
I shorten the mail a little bit
Oliver-Rainer Wittmann schrieb:
Hi Regina,
On 01.10.2012 14:18, Regina Henschel wrote:
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Oh no, then I was not clear. I try again. It is not possible to set
a paragraph reference into the list style, the list style dialog
should not be changed but needs to be as it is currently in
AOO3.4. Reasoning: 1. Define two paragraph styles "English" and
"German". In both of them set the numbering to the same numbering
style "My list". You cannot solve this by referencing a paragraph
style inside of "My list". 2. You can produce a dead lock. In
paragraph style "A" set numbering to list "One". In list "One" set
paragraph of level 2 to paragraph style "B". In paragraph style "B"
set numbering to list "Two". In list "Two" set paragraph of lever 2
to paragraph style "A".
I know, there is the wish to automatically use a specific paragraph
style for a specific list level. But that is not possible with a
reference inside the list style, see above. Instead such binding is
done in the "Condition" part of the paragraph style. The
"Condition" part of the paragraph style avoids the dead lock this
way: If inside of paragraph style "A" you set the paragraph style
"B" for the numbering level 2, then the paragraph style "B" is not
assigned to the paragraph, but only its formatting attributes are
used to actually style the paragraph. The assigned paragraph style
remains "A".
Ok, now I understand your concern. From my point of view we need
both: - In the Paragraph Style format dialog we need a list level
field which more or less directly sets ODF attribute style:list-level
of the corresponding paragraph.
Yes, that is my suggestion.
- In the List Style format dialog we
need the possibility to assign multiple paragraph styles to a certain
list level of the list style. Thus, we more or less need a
multiple-selection field/control/sub dialog - a UI by which the user
can assign more than one paragraph style to a certain list level of
the list style.
I'm not sure what you mean. I see no way to assign a paragraph style to
a list level style. Is there a suitable attribute in the file format for
a list-level style?
By such an action the paragraph style's ODF
attributes style:list-style-name and style:list-level will be set.
You mean, you do not assign a paragraph style to a list level style but
the other way round?
This would mean that the user will get the possibility in the List
Style format dialog to directly change attributes of one or more
paragraph styles. But it would be very convenient for a user to have
this possibility.
It would need a very careful design to avoid the impression, that the
paragraph style is bind to the list-level the same way the binding is
done between paragraph style and heading level in the outline numbering
dialog.
Additional difficulties:
- The list of paragraph styles is very, very long.
- Multiselection has to be possible and the user has to be informed,
that it is possible
- How to add a paragraph, if you want to do so after you have already
close the dialog and reopen it then.
- How is the user notified, that he overwrites an entry, that is made on
a different level.
- How does this effect a list item, that belongs to a list of that
style, but has already assigned a different paragraph style?
- How are the already existing entries made visible as already set?
I still not convinced, that the list style dialog is the right place.
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It seems I misunderstood you here. I thought that you were proposing
to introduce a list level field in the Paragraph format dialog in
order to set the list level of a paragraph which is currently only
possible via demote/promote actions.
I think indeed, that it is coupled. Or can you think of a concrete
paragraph being for example at list level 2 because of nested text:list
elements, but has a list-level attribute of 3 in his style? I know, that
in CSS it is possible to style an element like a list item although it
is not a list item. But I fear, that would give a large mess for AOO.
Numbering is already difficult enough with 'outline numbering',
'anonymous list style', 'named list style', and 'condition formatting'.
Kind regards
Regina
