On 01.11.2012 17:27, jan iversen wrote:
A brilliant idea, especially if I may copy some of your slides...
Sure.
I am still fumbling how the build works, and to be honest (NOT to criticize
anyone) I am not impressed.
That is a very friendly way to put it. I am still trying not to sound
too negative in my talk and find that not being easy.
But I am currently preparing a slide about all the things that the build
system has to handle:
Languages: 20, soon maybe 30
Platforms: Windows, Linux 32/64, MacOSX, FreeBSD OS/2, Solaris
Package formats: archive, msi, deb, rpm, dmg
Products: OpenOffice, language packs, SDK (all regular and as
developer build), URE
several external libraries with their own build systems
several programming languages to compile and link
and it is doing all this for more than 15 years
So, it could be better but it could also be worse.
But criticizing is not something bad, it is the first step in making the
system better.
Just one thing:
I do a "build --all", which comes back OK, then I do a second "build --all"
and to my surprise it generates a couple of libraries again..I assumed I
had missed an error, so I tried it a third time, same thing happened,
libraries was built.
In my opion (and according with normal makefile schemes) once it completes
without errors, it should not build anything a second time.
You are right but and in most cases the reason for the repeated building
will be badly written makefiles.
But there are some reasons why it is how it is:
- The dmake part of the build system does not have inter-module
dependencies on file granularity. You either build a whole module or
you don't.
- File based inter-module dependencies take a lot of time to
process. That was not possible 10 years back.
Build sw today and you will experience a delay of a few
seconds. That is the time it takes to ready the dependencies of only
those modules that
have already been converted to gbuild.
Again, you are right in your expectations. We are going in that
direction, but slowly.
But putting that aside, I would be happy to focus on localization together
with jürgen, but if it is something you want to do it yourself thats ok
with me.
I will have my share of giving talks at ApacheCon (three talks). It
would be great if you could cover FOSDEM.
-Andre
Jan.
On 1 November 2012 16:55, Andre Fischer <awf....@gmail.com> wrote:
On 30.10.2012 22:10, jan iversen wrote:
Just for info, Juergen told me that he was going to talk about l10n on
apacheCon, so I suggested that we could make a speech at FOSDEM, because
at
that time the new workflow is hopefully ready or so close that we know all
details.
A good theme for a main speech would be how the handle the build (and
release) process with internationalization in a big project like AOO.
Hi Jan,
I will be talking at ApacheCon EU about the AOO build system and only
briefly mention l10n (how it works today).
Maybe you want to give a similar talk at FOSDEM but with a strong focus on
l10n?
-Andre
