You are quite right. But then I will have a hard time helping to change l10n.openoffice.org, even though it would be nice to get it done.
jan. On 18 October 2012 18:31, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > > I had a deeper look there and got one good question. > > > > Why do we keep l10n.openoffice.org ? > > Wiki is to work, website is the front of the project. Most projects > just keep 2 or 3 pages on the www while having many on the wiki. > Usually people enter through the www and then redirect to the wiki > eventually. (likewise u will think on Apache.org -> > openoffice.apache.org) However OOo probably has more visibility than > Apache in the real world. > > Static content such as processes, FAQ, and others were kept on the > www. While more dynamic information like Translating campaigns for > each version releases are on the wiki. Translating campaigns like: > Release 3.4 > > > > It would be easier to use the l10n page in wiki, combine it with > > information from l10n.openOffice.org and the localize wiki page. > > > > Just as a side remark, that would make it possible for me and others to > > contribute. > > > > jan > > > > On 18 October 2012 18:07, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Is there anyone left who feels "responsible" for l10n.openoffice.org, > >> > if > >> > not I will give it a go, since it is in the scope of what I work on. > >> > > >> > The steps suggested seems quite fair, however I do not know who > consult > >> > with ? > >> > >> l10n was directed by Rafaela Braconi who was a Sun/Oracle employee so > >> most of the direction got lost there. Most of the process was > >> concerted with the engineers like Eike Rathke and Pavel Janik which > >> deal with the l10n cws. I think Pavel still around, but not very > >> active lately. > >> > >> > > >> > jan > >> > > >> > On 18 October 2012 15:46, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > I have already put links in place, both on the localization page > and > >> on > >> >> the > >> >> > original (not old :) ) document. > >> >> > > >> >> > It is now updated with you snippet. > >> >> > >> >> Since we are in this topic there is also another branch that would > >> >> need to be updated -- eventually. Which is the l10n.openoffice.org > >> >> website. This was updated back in 2010 and most of the update process > >> >> was documented here: > >> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/L10n_Web_Pages_Reloaded > >> >> > >> >> We should use this docs as a framework to see in what stages we want > >> >> to update the infromation and also to what extend. There is still a > >> >> lot of infrastructure to be done specially on QA-Testing and release > >> >> sync. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > jan > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:05, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On 10/16/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > Don´t misunderstand me, I think everybody does a nice job in > >> getting > >> >> us > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> > the right direction. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I agree with the structure as such, it is just at the moment a > >> >> >> > pain > >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > neck when you search information (and not to forget, my old > >> >> >> > horse, > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > multiple logins). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Is called transitional period. It seems Apache people dont want to > >> >> >> deal with PHP, something that Sun didn't mind as much. So most > >> >> >> infrastructure (Mediawiki, PHPBBs, Drupal) are in a virtual > >> >> >> environment at the moment. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Multiple logins have always been an issue in OOo as a whole, the > >> >> >> idea > >> >> >> of implementing OpenID came out several times, but many people > >> >> >> didnt > >> >> >> seem to mind just having multiple accounts, so it never gained > >> >> >> traction. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Now at apache, doesnt seem that different except for pootle that > >> share > >> >> >> your commit credentials with http://people.apache.org but neither > >> >> >> forums, extensions or cwiki share these credentials. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I am just writing the last pages on "localization of AOO" > >> describing > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > current l10n process as ground work for a discussion on where we > >> >> >> > want > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > go. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Again this should be included in MWiki IMO so there is no 'old > >> >> >> localization' and 'new localization'. I suggest a good start would > >> >> >> be > >> >> >> to create links between them and mark outdated information as > such. > >> >> >> MWiki had special tags for this. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> <div> > >> >> >> <span style="border:1px solid #CC7777; background-color: #FFEDED; > >> >> >> padding: 4px; text-align: left; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: > >> >> >> 20px;"> > >> >> >> [[image:documentation_exclamation.png|40px]] This article is > >> outdated. > >> >> >> </span> > >> >> >> </div> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I was suggested to make a subpage of the current page in Wiki, > >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> > will > >> >> >> be > >> >> >> > easy for me, but at the same time shows, that we need to make a > >> >> >> > deadline, > >> >> >> > freeze the wiki for a couple of days and divide the pages. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > rgds > >> >> >> > JanI. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On 16 October 2012 14:34, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:42 AM, RGB ES <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > 2012/10/16 jan iversen <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> I know...it is just a matter of how many accounts do you > want > >> to > >> >> >> >> maintain > >> >> >> >> >> in order to help on AOO. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> If I look for information regarding AOO I would look in > >> >> >> >> >> wiki.openoffice.org, > >> >> >> >> >> I would not think of cwiki.apache.org > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> or have I misunderstood something ? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> rgds > >> >> >> >> >> Jan I. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > If my memory do not betray me (I cannot find the thread) > there > >> >> >> >> > was > >> >> >> >> > (sort-of) an agreement to use cwiki for development matters > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > traditional wiki for community support. But it is better to > >> >> >> >> > not > >> >> >> >> > trust > >> >> >> >> > my > >> >> >> >> > memory... ;) > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Historically there was a single website, www.openoffice.orgthat > >> >> >> >> was > >> >> >> >> both user-facing and project-facing. It was a single domain > >> >> >> >> (openoffice.org) as well as subdomains for distinct projects. > >> >> Behind > >> >> >> >> this domain were static web pages, a wiki, forums, extensions > >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> template libraries, etc. So behind the scenes it was quite > >> >> >> >> complex, > >> >> >> >> but to everyone it looked like "openoffice.org". > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> With the move to Apache the services were arranged differently. > >> >> >> >> Bugzilla is under an apache.org domain. Apache > Infrastructure > >> >> >> >> supported CWiki and MoinMoin, but not MWiki. And all Apache > >> >> >> >> projects > >> >> >> >> have an official page in the apache.org domain. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> So the idea was that we would have two different experiences: > a > >> >> >> >> user-facing "product" website at openoffice.org, where we > focus > >> on > >> >> >> >> user-facing tasks like product information, downloads and > >> >> >> >> support. > >> >> >> >> And a project-facing website, at an Apache domain, with > >> information > >> >> >> >> for volunteers participating on the project. So product versus > >> >> >> >> project. The split is imperfect, since there is still a lot of > >> >> >> >> project-related content on the openoffice.org domain. But I > >> think > >> >> >> >> we've done a good job at making the user experience be clean. > A > >> >> >> >> user > >> >> >> >> going to the www.openoffice.org home page does not easily find > >> >> >> >> outdated content. However, some of the native language home > >> pages, > >> >> >> >> the ones not maintained yet, have a worse experience. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -Rob > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Regards > >> >> >> >> > Ricardo > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado > >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice > >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Alexandro Colorado > >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice > >> >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Alexandro Colorado > >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice > >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> > > > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > PPMC Apache OpenOffice > http://es.openoffice.org >
