On Aug 13, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Hagar Delest wrote: > Now that Thunderbird has stopped its development, perhaps we will have a fix > someday for the bug about the multiple header. It will be easier then to spot > non subscribed users. For the moment, a mere Ctrl+U when there is a high > suspicion of non-subscribed sender will do, the volume of this list is not > that heavy... > > If there is no consensus, then things should remain as they are. Rejected > emails will only increase the user frustration. This is bad publicity that we > won't even notice. So better be able to monitor all those new users cases, it > can help improve UX. > > As for the rant, the forum has also seen a flood of posts about dictionary > and thesaurus, together with startup problem. Sounds perhaps silly and small > time issue for accustomed users but a real pain for new users. but well, this > was the first release with Apache, I guess it will help improve the QA checks > before a release.
AFAIK the development of 3.4.1 has been focused on (1) solving these types of usability issues and (2) adding more languages as VOLUNTEERS make themselves known to help with translations. > > Bottom line is: we should take care of the new users, by listening to their > complaints (even through non-subscribed mails) and by avoiding the small > glitches that can be viewed as show stopper by new users (because those > problems should be basics that should not lead time loss trying to fix them). > And since Scooter is not really a new user, it also means that users can be > very quickly fed up with that too... Thanks Hagar for all your work with the forums. Regards, Dave > > Hagar > > > Le 13/08/2012 14:54, Mike Scott a écrit : > >> On 13/08/12 13:32, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 07:08:32AM -0500, Caesar wrote: >>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:19:25 -0400, Scooter C >>>> <[email protected]> wrote Re Scooter's Rant of the month: >>>> >>>>> I'm not impressed with Apache Foundation. >>>> >>>> +1 on that. >>>> >>>> As an example to support that impression, note the operation of this >>>> list server; e.g. people who are not members are allowed to post >>>> questions, but since they are not members they cannot see the answers >>>> to their questions. >>> >>> There was a thread about rejecting those mails, there was even >>> a "Moderation Rejection Experiment" >>> http://markmail.org/thread/ukrbtqysmejax5q6 but I don't recall in what >>> ended all these things. May be the list moderators can tell. >> >> I think that thread postdates the start of the 'apache era'. >> >> I recall in the OOo days there were over-frequent discussions about >> disallowing non-member postings. But arguments were put both ways, no >> consensus could ever be reached, and by default the status quo persisted >> - to allow unrestricted posting. >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
