Ok :) I'm starting to understand the rasterizer a bit more now, and I'm pretty sure I understand how to go about this. Hopefully I can have something working soon.
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:19:46 -0500, Timothy Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In this case, more levels of abstraction is definitely better. > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:55:51 -0500, Cody Brocious > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I apologize for talking about this here, and also apologise for coming > > off as sounding like I wanted him to rewrite it, and also for > > forgetting one of the larger points I wanted to make. > > > > If we seperate the backend from the frontend, it'll make it easier to > > tie into mesa, in theory. I'd love to help in any way possible, and I > > was mainly asking for opinions on whether this method would be useful > > or even work, as I'm entirely new to the low-level portions of 3d. > > I've never so much as read the source of a video card driver; the > > closest I've come is reading the source for the simulator. > > > > If you think that my idea for abstraction might be useful in the > > least, I'll take a shot at it, as I am very interested in contributing > > to this project, even though I'm not very knowledgable in the > > low-level details. > > > > > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:49:07 -0500, Timothy Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This is ABSOLUTELY NOT the place to be having this discussion. Ogsim > > > uses Qt because that's how Nicolai wrote it. He wrote it, therefore > > > he gets to say how it's written. If you want to rewrite what he did > > > to use GTK or something else, go right ahead. That's what free > > > software is all about. But in the mean time, I suggest you install > > > Linux and Qt if you want to use it. > > > > > > If you want argue with people about off-list, that is also up to you. > > > But trying to convince someone to rewrite their program just for a > > > minority of users isn't likely to be fruitful. > > > > > > Furthermore, we are going to be working on a way of splicing the model > > > into Mesa and that should be toolkit-agnostic (since it doesn't > > > require a UI, we can just use Xlib directly). > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:24:44 -0500, Cody Brocious > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I do agree that Qt is nice, but I don't think that it's neccesarily > > > > the right tool for this, or at least it's not the _only_ right tool > > > > for this. Ogsim is not a UI-heavy system. If the backend were to be > > > > seperated entirely from the front-end in that we pass in what we would > > > > to a video card and get the result back over a unix socket the > > > > front-end could be designed in python and wxPython/pygame if we really > > > > wanted, and I think that's what I may do. Qt is nice, but it's > > > > definitely not the only thing capable of running this sort of > > > > software, especially at the level it's at now. > > > > > > > > (Sorry about sending this directly to you, Nicolai, the first time. > > > > Sometimes gmail does the recipient right, sometimes it doesn't. I'll > > > > have to check by hand next time) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:41:10 +0100, Nicolai Haehnle <[EMAIL > > > > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday 03 February 2005 16:56, Cody Brocious wrote: > > > > > > > I've taken a look at ogsim and I'm quite impressed. The problem > > > > > > > is, I > > > > > > > don't use Qt (it doesn't like to build on my system for some > > > > > > > reason). > > > > > > > I'm wondering how hard it'd be to latch into the backend with a > > > > > > > custom > > > > > > > client written in something a bit more lightweight (perhaps even > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > portable, since Qt for win32 costs quite a bit) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't want to do anything that might be construed as trying to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > over your project, either, as I know how much it sucks when > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > does that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any input on this, I'd love to hear it. I'm out of > > > > > > > school > > > > > > > for quite a while due to getting my appendix out, so I've got > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > but time to work on stuff :P > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Qt/KDE is the right tool for the job. We could get into a > > > > > > toolkit war > > > > > > here, but the fact is that I've written programs in all of the > > > > > > major C++ > > > > > > GUI toolkits, and Qt really the only one I'd consider when > > > > > > licensing issues > > > > > > aren't a problem. Or, to put it another way: I really don't like > > > > > > writing UI > > > > > > code on a normal day. I *hate* writing UI code in toolkits that > > > > > > suck (i.e. > > > > > > basically everything but Qt). > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said that, the simulator core, which consists of simulator.h, > > > > > > simulator.cpp and render.inc as well as the Python script to > > > > > > generate the > > > > > > register header are all very UI-agnostic. They do use Qt core > > > > > > classes for > > > > > > threading. > > > > > > > > > > > > cu, > > > > > > Nicolai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ... 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