On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 08:31 +0200, Rene Herman wrote:
> Daniel Phillips wrote:
> 
> > On Monday 11 April 2005 07:20, Rene Herman wrote:
> 
> >>>>You are blindly assuming here that the "enthusiast market" and the
> >>>>"ASIC market" are something very different.
> >>>
> >>>They are.
> >>
> >>No they are not. You are projecting yourself much too widely -- they
> >>are only different after you've defined "enthusiast" as "hardware
> >>tinkerer". I am not the latter but am the former, proving that's not
> >>a sensible thing to do.
> > 
> > Stop right there.  It is entirely because of tinkerers like me that we 
> > have open source projects at all, so that enthusiasts like you can have 
> > the benefits.
> 
> The concept you are still failing to grasp is the difference between 
> software and hardware tinkerers. I fully expect that to be because you 
> are both but many people are not. I am not, meaning that at the very 
> least I can assure you there _is_ a difference.
> 
> Equating "enthusiast market" with "FPGA market" as you did makes no 
> sense given that difference. The FPGA market is a sub-market of the 
> enthusiast market with all the sofware tinkerers another, only partly 
> intersecting, sub-market. I won't go so far as to pull numbers out of 
> the air but since there are simply many more software tinkerers than 
> there are hardware tinkerers I'd say this latter sub-market is actually 
> significantly bigger.
> 
> >>There's many sorts of enthusiasts: we seem to be of different types
> >>for example.
> > 
> > That is true.  Since you are the sort of enthusiast who just wants to 
> > wait until a cheap asic version arrives, why are you arguing with me, 
> > who is the sort of enthusiast who will help make your cheap ASIC a 
> > reality?
> 
> You are positioning me here as a profiteer which is a very childish 
> thing to do.

No. He isn't. Now will you please shut up or take this off list.

I have my own opinions about who is more right, but at this point I
would rather sit on them than say something that starts a new round of
sniping. If you can find common ground off-list, feel free to let us
know about it. :-P

I'm pretty sure Timothy knows where you guys stand by now, and in the
end it's his decision.

Yeesh.

Ray

(Yes, I know I'm not God, or some sort of list enforcer, but I really
don't think this thread is helping anyone)

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