On 4/26/05, Patrick McNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >Another thing to consider is to have one person in charge of
> >collecting all information together, periodically publishing document
> >as it stands.  I did that with the software model, and it worked well
> >enough.
> >
> >You are taking an interest in this and making excellent points.
> >Perhaps you would like to consider being in charge of this?  :)
> >
> >
> Hmmm.... No good deed goes unpunished?  :)  I will accept that position
> unless someone else just really wants it?
> 
> >
> >Doumo arigatou gozaimasu.**
> >
> >
> Dou itashimashite.
> 
> Now that the pleasantries are out of the way, I'll add my comments to
> today's replies.
> 
> I agree that the focus should be on content, not form.  However, I can
> say from experience that form can sell content.  One of our target
> audiences is the corporate world.  Given two documents with the exact
> same contents where one is the dump of a wiki and the other is a nicely
> and professionally laid out document with nice formatting, I can tell
> you exactly which will be picked and which will be rejected.

Good point.  And as long as the documentation is in the hands of a
few, that'll work.  When we have to make something totally
distributed, that's when things get difficult.

> I pulled down LyX an played with it today.  Perhaps it is just different
> enough from my normal methods of document creation that I haven't
> grasped it yet, but I had the hardest time making it do my bidding.
> Actually, I think that was my problem.  I was trying to make it do what
> I wanted instead of letting it do it's job.
> 
> OpenOffice and it's associated format are good. But... There is always a
> "but".  The built in version control (i.e. diffs and merges) is disabled
> as soon as an index or table of contents is added.  That is a royal
> pain.  Also, since it is a binary format, Subversion doesn't handle
> merging it all that smoothly.
> 
> As far as wikis go, I've worked with them before and they can be
> incredibly powerful tools.  However they are not designed for creating
> publishable documents.  You can't go download the contents of a wiki and
> print it out on the office printer for later reference.  Ok, so actually
> you can, but it's not easy or pretty.  I would also prefer, if at all
> possible, to keep the requirement, specs, and any other docs in the same
> repository as all the other stuff.  It makes it easier for all involved
> to be able to go one place and get anything you might need.

A format that converts well to both PDF and HTML and looks good in
both cases would be preferable.

> 
> It looks like some tools and scripts exist to convert between DocBook
> and OpenOffice (and maybe OpenDocument) formats.  The Open office
> DocBook export works, but i seems to lose all the formatting.
> 
> I must admit I'm still at a loss.  For the time being, I would suggest
> we start using the wiki.  It is a very useful dumping ground for ideas
> and I don't want use to get stuck trying to figure out how we are going
> to produce something as "simple" as documentation. :)

How hard would it be for someone to "translate" the wiki?

> Patrick M
> 
> Nihongo ga hanasemasu ka. *

I think you're asking me if I speak Japanese, and I think the answer
might be something like "chotto".  But that's probably wrong.  :)  My
background is in linguistics, so I like to take languages apart, but
I'm not very good at actually REMEMBERING them.  I remember weird
stuff, like some of the honorific/humble verbs and some of the
grammar, but...

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