On 7/12/06, Timothy Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 7/12/06, Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You are right. IIRC RMS never worried about whether he had the RTL to=20
> > the computers he was programming for (firmware is another thing); he=20
> > considered that immutable. But you're right, it does apply.
>
> Even zealots can be pragmatic at times.
Sometimes it's a matter of getting what you can and being happy with
what you got. If you ask for something unusual but not too extreme
(May I please have docs to your device so I can write my own drivers
for it?), then people will be willing to help. If you demand the
rediculous (I'll scream if you don't give me all of your trade
secrets, especially those that allow you to compete in a capitalist
market!), then people will tell you to screw off.
Like I'm sure many people have said before me, freedom is earned, and
it's often earned gradually. If you try to get too much all at once,
you'll meet nothing but derision and resistance, even if you're
absolutely justified in what you ask for. I think about the slow
progress towards equality that many minority groups in the US have
experienced. Freedom is a moral right, but it often takes a great
deal of work to acquire.
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Well stated! Would I be mistaken if I said the biggest part of the point of being OPEN is that drivers can and will go into the kernal? To me having Fully Supported hardware that the kernel maintainers have no problem supporting is what Open is about. Also of course being open they (Traversal) will be openly audited and held accountable by the community.
E.G. : Anyone remember Nvidia's Pure Video? I have an nvidia 6800 in this system, and it was marketed and sold as supporting PureVideo. Guess what? When launched that was totaly bogus! That card was hardly any better with video streaming than my old GF2 was!! It took ages for PureVideo to be mostly supported as they promised it would be. Now You Tell Me, would the OHF (Open...) community allow Traversal to get away such a tactic? Being Open would Tr even consider trying something like this? Nope! I dont think so!
You can talk about how it will complicate things ect. But the fact is the real world IS complicated! There simply is no getting around that fact. You want to be in business and do good? Welcome to the real world! What I want from Traversal is accountability to the community! *WE* have been treated so badly for so long by these closed companies that we mostly just roll over and accept it! I am hoping that Open will correct that problem. Just so this community knows my personal stance; I am Completely Opposed to the *word* FREE being in any way shape or form applied to Traversal's upcoming Graphics Card! The word Free *Is* a pandora's box, expecially when applied to HardWare! Hardware is most definitely not free! There is a very finite cost involved in manufactureing HardWare! Open on the otherhand is pretty obvious that it is not free, so by saying open we avoid any Real Confusion in the really pertinent matters at hand.
/me steps off of his soapbox now,
thank you for your time ladies and gents,
Gary
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