/grin,

I brought up enclosures and such because it is usually the _Details_ that
get overlooked that hurt or sink projects. If a SoC is discussed, it is
helpful to have an "end of road" view in your head to focus on. What or who
is the intended audience? How will you sell your widgets?

Honestly, it really could go either way imo. A SoC / APU or a straight up
Video Card. There is a market for both. It is my opinion that the SoC would
be better overall because it would break into a broader market, and take
advantage of the momentum that ARM has created. The problem is, this window
of time is narrow enough I am not entirely sure it is possible to hit it
with a full SoC. Even a GOOD video card would be tough. Don't get me wrong,
the video card market *Might* be a bit longer in the window of opportunity.
The bad news is, Intel really is moving into the Linux Video Stack in a way
that threatens that opportunity. Look at Intel's level of commits to Mesa.
In once sense I applaud them for their hard work. In another sense, once
they are _There_, breaking into that space will be next to impossible.

Gary


On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Dieter BSD <[email protected]> wrote:

> Gary writes:
> > Just to be clear are we talking about a Video Card or a SoC?
>
> There are multiple discussions going on.
>
> One discussion involves cases for various mainboard formfactors
> and power supplies and CPUs. I don't know what they are trying to
> accomplish, since cases don't need software and aren't FLOSS-hostile,
> power supplies don't need software (yet, anyway) and aren't FLOSS-hostile,
> and CPUs are documented and aren't FLOSS-hostile, at least pure CPUs
> are, the APUs with on-die undocumented GPUs and on-die undocumented video
> decoders are another matter. As far as I know none of the SoCs have
> documented video so they are all FLOSS-hostile and thus unusable.
> I don't understand why there is any discussion of using chips that
> are FLOSS-hostile, given that the whole point of the OGP is to fix
> that exact problem. If someone knows of a SoC that *is* properly
> documented and FLOSS-friendly, please let us know. Luke is working
> on building a FLOSS-friendly SoC, but it isn't ready yet. The
> discussion of Luke's SoC project seems to have wound down.
>
> We have Timothy and his GPU design group designing an energy
> efficient fully documented GPU. Not much discussion on the list
> recently, but I trust that the design is moving along.
>
> I figure that the GPU design people and the board design people
> are mostly different people, so we can work on designing the GPU
> and a card for the GPU in parallel. By using a socket or mini-PCIe
> connector we can make a documented video card that is useful for
> many (not all) tasks before the GPU chip is ready, and the GPU-full
> card will be ready sooner than if we wait for the GPU chip to be
> ready before starting design of the card.
>
> And then we have a discussion about asking Steam if they would like
> to partner with us.
>
> Have I missed any discussions?
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