Is there any reasonable way to get an number on how many multiplies (and other types of operations, including bits moved) are required for the following:
* 5 minutes of average facebook browser/rendering/gpu activity * 5 minutes of playing a DVD * 5 minutes of playing the MegaGlest game * 5 minutes of compiling linux/android/libreoffice/firefox (say 1ghz cpu) On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 03:45:06AM -0500, Timothy Normand Miller wrote: > Consider the use cases and the prevalence of multiplies. > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > well, why not clock rates of 0.5x 1x and 2x? (where nominal design for the > > thermal envelope of the package is 1x, and then whatever is in the critical > > path can go to 2x if a nearby multiplier is not can go to 0.5x) > > > > I'm thinking this may be serious overengineering unless we have distributed > > power conversion and voltage regulators to go along with this scheme (the > > slower clocked areas get lower voltage) > > > > All that being said, power-of-2 clock multipliers might be helpful for > > asic vs fpga design flexibility. > > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 07:38:26PM -0500, Timothy Normand Miller wrote: > > > If it's not something like 2x or 1/2x or other power of two, it's > > basically > > > impossible to do in the middle of a pipeline. Also, keep in mind that we > > > reuse this for integer left shift and integer multiply, so we'll keep it > > > relatively busy, and we can also clock-gate. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Troy Benjegerdes <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > When I start thinking about bits per joule, (or multiplies per joule), > > I > > > > start wondering if we can run the multiplier(s) on a separate clock > > from > > > > everything else, and be able to scale the speed up and down depending > > on > > > > some software algorithms that know if this particular multiply is in > > the > > > > critical path for some other computation, or if it's just a > > bulk-parallel > > > > multiply where total energy matters more than time-to-answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:46:03AM -0500, Timothy Normand Miller wrote: > > > > > Where I have used these, the worst part is the wire delay from logic > > to > > > > the > > > > > multiplier block and back again. I have often had to add extra > > registers > > > > > in inputs and outputs just to get rid of those delay bottlenecks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Andr? Pouliot < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The multiplier block in FPGA are rather fast, so running them at > > twice > > > > or > > > > > > 4 time the clock speed could be possible. In an asic they would > > > > actually > > > > > > slow down the design because of the logic depth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2013-01-13 18:52, Timothy Normand Miller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> The multipliers are probably going to be the biggest performance > > > > > >> bottleneck in the design. Depending on what blocks are available > > we > > > > might > > > > > >> be able to pipeline it more deeply in order to get higher > > frequency. > > > > As it > > > > > >> is, it's fully pipelined at whatever frequency a 18x18 multiplier > > will > > > > > >> allow. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:31 PM, "Ing. Daniel Rozsny?" < > > > > > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I know that this is a generic multiplier, but in practice, > > would > > > > > >> that map 1:1 to logic gates, or would it be possible to > > multiply > > > > > >> the i/o frequency locally by 4 times (e.g. 1GHz -> 4GHz) to > > > > > >> achieve a one clock delay multiply? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Daniel > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 01/13/2013 09:46 PM, Timothy Normand Miller wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> // TODO: Actually use clock enables > > > > > >> > > > > > >> module four_stage_signed_35x35_**multiply( > > > > > >> input clock, > > > > > >> input [34:0] A, > > > > > >> input [34:0] B, > > > > > >> output reg [69:0] P); > > > > > >> > > > > > >> // Pipeline state 0: Perform all multiplies > > > > > >> wire [35:0] p0a, p2a, p3a; > > > > > >> wire [33:0] p1a; > > > > > >> MULT18X18S mul0 (.C(clock), .CE(1'b1), .R(1'b0), .P(p0a), > > > > > >> .A(A[34:17]), > > > > > >> .B(B[34:17])); > > > > > >> MULT18X18S mul1 (.C(clock), .CE(1'b1), .R(1'b0), .P(p1a), > > > > > >> .A({1'b0, > > > > > >> A[16:0]}), .B({1'b0, B[16:0]})); > > > > > >> MULT18X18S mul2 (.C(clock), .CE(1'b1), .R(1'b0), .P(p2a), > > > > > >> .A(A[34:17]), > > > > > >> .B({1'b0, B[16:0]})); > > > > > >> MULT18X18S mul3 (.C(clock), .CE(1'b1), .R(1'b0), .P(p3a), > > > > > >> .A({1'b0, > > > > > >> A[16:0]}), .B(B[34:17])); > > > > > >> > > > > > >> // Pipeline stage 1: Sum middle terms > > > > > >> reg [35:0] p0b, p2b; > > > > > >> reg [33:0] p1b; > > > > > >> always @(posedge clock) begin > > > > > >> p0b <= p0a; > > > > > >> p1b <= p1a; > > > > > >> p2b <= p2a + p3a; > > > > > >> end > > > > > >> > > > > > >> // Pipeline stage 2: Lower half of final sum > > > > > >> wire [34:0] wlower_a, wlower_b, wupper_a, wupper_b; > > > > > >> assign {wupper_a, wlower_a} = {p0b, p1b}; > > > > > >> assign {wupper_b, wlower_b} = {{17{p2b[35]}}, p2b, > > > > {17{1'b0}}}; > > > > > >> reg [34:0] upper_a, upper_b; > > > > > >> reg [35:0] lower_sum; > > > > > >> always @(posedge clock) begin > > > > > >> lower_sum <= wlower_a + wlower_b; > > > > > >> upper_a <= wupper_a; > > > > > >> upper_b <= wupper_b; > > > > > >> end > > > > > >> > > > > > >> // Pipeline stage 3: Upper half of final sum, with carry > > in > > > > > >> wire [35:0] upper_sum = {upper_a, 1'b1} + {upper_b, > > > > > >> lower_sum[35]}; > > > > > >> always @(posedge clock) begin > > > > > >> P[34:0] <= lower_sum[34:0]; > > > > > >> P[69:35] <= upper_sum[35:1]; > > > > > >> end > > > > > >> > > > > > >> endmodule > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> // synthesis translate_off > > > > > >> module MULT18X18S( > > > > > >> input C, > > > > > >> input CE, > > > > > >> input R, > > > > > >> output reg [35:0] P, > > > > > >> input [17:0] A, > > > > > >> input [17:0] B); > > > > > >> > > > > > >> wire signed [17:0] a, b; > > > > > >> assign a = A; > > > > > >> assign b = B; > > > > > >> > > > > > >> wire signed [35:0] p; > > > > > >> assign p = a * b; > > > > > >> > > > > > >> always @(posedge C) begin > > > > > >> if (R) begin > > > > > >> P <= 0; 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They do it > > > > because life wouldn't have any meaning for them if they didn't. That's > > why > > > > I draw cartoons. It's my life." -- Charles Shultz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Timothy Normand Miller, PhD > > > Assistant Professor of Computer Science, Binghamton University > > > http://www.cs.binghamton.edu/~millerti/ > > > Open Graphics Project > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer' [email protected] > > > > Somone asked my why I work on this free (http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/) > > software & hardware (http://q3u.be) stuff and not get a real job. > > Charles Shultz had the best answer: > > > > "Why do musicians compose symphonies and poets write poems? They do it > > because life wouldn't have any meaning for them if they didn't. That's why > > I draw cartoons. It's my life." -- Charles Shultz > > > > > > -- > Timothy Normand Miller, PhD > Assistant Professor of Computer Science, Binghamton University > http://www.cs.binghamton.edu/~millerti/ > Open Graphics Project -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer' [email protected] Somone asked my why I work on this free (http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/) software & hardware (http://q3u.be) stuff and not get a real job. Charles Shultz had the best answer: "Why do musicians compose symphonies and poets write poems? They do it because life wouldn't have any meaning for them if they didn't. That's why I draw cartoons. It's my life." -- Charles Shultz _______________________________________________ Open-graphics mailing list [email protected] http://lists.duskglow.com/mailman/listinfo/open-graphics List service provided by Duskglow Consulting, LLC (www.duskglow.com)
