On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 08:45:42AM -0400, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:22:49PM +0000, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich wrote: > >> Maybe I'm missing something, but neither GNOME nor KDE icons use that > >> symbol. > > Dan Scott replied at 02:34 (EDT): > > Yes, I think you're missing that the design of KDE's PDF icon [1] and > > the Dropline Etiquette theme PDF icon [2] both appear to be derived > > from Adobe's PDF icon [3], > > I don't think we actually have explicit reason to believe those icons > are copyright derivative works of the Adobe icons, but they *may* be and > it's clear we'd want to investigate that question more before using > them.
Really? I can't imagine where, other than the original Adobe PDF logo itself, both the Dropline Etiquette and KDE Oxygen icon designers would have found the inspiration to create a red loopy "A" to represent a PDF document. But... my imagination is pretty limited. > > Tony -- who is a lawyer, BTW -- said a few posts back: "I don't think > > this would qualify as fair use, because the value of this icon file is > > derived from its use of Adobe's trademark." > > Indeed, the primary issue that Tony raised was that of whether use of > those icons might constitute trademark infringement. Tony can speak > more to the issue of how a trademark infringement analysis works, but I > trust his opinion that we should err on the side of caution. Right. Realistically, Evergreen is unlikely to be a primary target of a trademark infringement action, even if Adobe starts freaking out about trademark dilution along the lines of Penguin [1], but the reward for taking the risk of being such a target amounts to the use of an icon. Even at a very low risk, that seems like a very low reward... > BTW, Dan, as a side note, you mentioned that the GNOME icon you showed us > wasn't the canonical GNOME one, but rather a community-developed > alternative to the GNOME defaults. > > Have you looked at what the default icon is in GNOME 3 for PDFs? I'd > guess that one doesn't infringe Adobe's trademark nor copyrights and we > could use that. Yes. GNOME 3.4.0 doesn't use a specific icon for PDFs; it uses a generic "office document" icon [2] (text flowing around a graphic on a portrait page). This matches what I see in Fedora 16, too. > While I think your icon with just the letters PDF is probably fine (I'd > like Tony to confirm, of course), perhaps there is something out there > from another Free Software project that's prettier and doesn't have any > of these trademark issues. I think I would dissolve into madness if putting Deja Vu Sans "PDF" on a white background is still a problem for the project. But okay, I'm happy to wait for word back from Tony. In the meantime, should we just remove the PDF icon altogether and replace it with a text link? 1. http://www.27bslash6.com/covers.html - (I'm somewhat sympathetic to Penguin's position, but it's still outrageously funny) 2. http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-icon-theme/plain/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/x-office-document.png?id=3.4.0 _______________________________________________ OPEN-ILS-DOCUMENTATION mailing list [email protected] http://list.georgialibraries.org/mailman/listinfo/open-ils-documentation
