Thanks for the help! Laureen Marchand
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:36:06 -0400 From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Hosted Applications? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 27/07/07, Laureen Marchand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is an Evergreen for Dummies question. I am a newly-interested possible > Evergreen client, but my library consortium is very small, and we can't do > support or self-hosting. Can someone direct me to vendors who might do that? > Thanks. Hi Laureen: That isn't a dummies question at all; I'm sure there are lots of people wondering that. There are two companies that I'm aware of that currently offer support and hosting services for Evergreen: * Equinox (http://esilibrary.com/esi/services.html) - this company was formed by the team that originally developed the bulk of Evergreen for Georgia PINES. Equinox has also been selected to provide install services and support for BC PINES, and the company's developers are very active on the open-ils-dev and open-ils-general mailing lists. * LibLime (http://liblime.com/products/evergreen) - perhaps best known for their work with Koha, LibLime was contracted to do some development work (the SIP2 self-checkout client, I believe) for Evergreen by Georgia PINES. Slightly off-topic aside to the maintainers of the open-ils.org FAQ, it says to inquire on the mailing list for information about commercial support of Evergreen -- shouldn't that answer just provide a list of links to the various companies offering commercial support? After a while, as the interest in Evergreen grows, it might be tiresome to answer this question too often -- and isn't that the point of an FAQ? Compare to http://www.postgresql.org/support/, actually, which recognizes that support will be such a FAQ that they dedicate a whole section to it... Maybe we should change "Mailing lists" to "Support" in the header and follow the PostgreSQL approach... Dan Scott (P.S. Hello to another fellow Canadian!) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:23:01 -0400 From: "Jami Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Re: Evergreen Start Up Questions (Mike Rylander) To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Thanks so much for all the info! Very helpful:) Jami Jami Miller Systems Librarian Franklin University Library/Phillips Hall 303 South Grant Avenue Columbus, OH 43215 614.947.6561 >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/26/2007 5:07 PM >>> Send Open-ils-general mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/mailman/listinfo/open-ils-general or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Open-ils-general digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Staff Client for Evergreen 1.2.0-rc1 (John van Rassel) 2. Re: Evergreen Start Up Questions (Don McMorris) 3. Re: Importing Bibliographic Information (Jason Stephenson) 4. RE: Importing Bibliographic Information (Deanna Frazee) 5. Re: Importing Bibliographic Information (Jason Stephenson) 6. Re: Evergreen Start Up Questions (Mike Rylander) 7. RE: Importing Bibliographic Information (Deanna Frazee) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:40:20 -0400 From: "John van Rassel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Staff Client for Evergreen 1.2.0-rc1 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the response. I did eventually find the page, and got it working. I ran through the steps for manual install, and that got it working As far as getting it working under windows, I installed the xulrunner, and then copied the client directory to my windows machine and it seemed to work fine Thanks John van Rassel -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Scott Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Staff Client for Evergreen 1.2.0-rc1 Hey John: Sorry for the delay -- the short answer is that I forgot to create the symbolic links in the image that the staff client depends on for versioning purposes. :( http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=mozilla-devel:building_the_staf f_client points in the right general direction. I've asked Jason if he could augment that page with the necessary information for the current Windows client; I've got notes lying around somewhere but am in an all-day meeting. -- Dan Scott Laurentian University ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:58:13 -0400 From: "Don McMorris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Evergreen Start Up Questions To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 7/26/07, Jami Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am researching the transition from a commercial ILS system to an open source ILS system and have a couple questions: > > 1. What commercial system was PINES using prior to the Evergreen implementation? > I believe it was DRA/Dynix Classic, but I'm not 100% sure... > 2. Was the previous system supporting a consortia or did the consortia form after the Evergreen implementation? > The previous system supported the PINES consortium. I believe other libraries were brought in after migration, but the majority existed prior on the old system. > 3. If so, did each library maintain its own installation that talked to a central system or was the original commercial implementation completely centralized? (I have read about the 5 year contract expiring and wonder if each server at each institution was expiring at the same time or only one at a central location) > As far as I know, the original system was housed on servers at a central location. This is the same way the current system is implemented. > > Any info would be greatly appreciated! > On the Open-ILS page (http://www.open-ils.org) has a link to "BC PINES". BC PINES is (as I understand it) an attempt to build a province-wide library consortia similar to GA PINES. In this case (again, as I understand it), the plan is to build a new system and import the data from the members that decide to join. This case is a little different than GA's implementation, as there will be several ILS's merging into 1 instead of a simple 1:1 migration. I have no doubt, though, that it won't be too bad... Evergreen is flexible like that ;) > Thanks so much, You're welcome! If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to contact the list(s)! Also, feel free to test-drive the staff client, the OPAC, or your own full-blown installation on VMWare, all of which are available at the Open-ILS web site (http://www.open-ils.org) > > Jami Miller > > > > > > Jami Miller > Systems Librarian > Franklin University Library/Phillips Hall > 303 South Grant Avenue > Columbus, OH 43215 > 614.947.6561 > > > --Don ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:03:02 -0400 From: Jason Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing Bibliographic Information To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don, et al., Thanks for the information about the 852 tag. This is very helpful. I have so far tried importing about 850,000 bib records into Evergreen from our Horizon database, and the process did not go well. Apparently, our Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of RAM cannot handle processing all 850,000 bibs at once, so I will have to break it up into chunks. I'm wondering if you have any benchmarks for how much RAM/CPU resources the conversion programs use per X number of records. The direct_ingest.pl on my test machine segfaulted after about 250,000 records. I'm assuming that I'll need to load them in batches of 50,000 to 100,000 to be successful. Also, for Deanna, I have a specific question. Can you tell me what parameters you used for your export target in Horizon to get your item info into the 852, please? I'm looking at this for our consoritum right now and while I have some ideas, it would save me a lot of time teasing it out if I had someone else's to look at. Cheers, Jason ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:49:48 -0500 From: "Deanna Frazee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing Bibliographic Information To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We set up the export_target table in Horizon to use the following subfields for the test data: b=Location c=Collection k=Call t=Copy x=Notes z=CKI_notes As you have probably noted, we did not take all of the data we should have--particularly price, vendor and current status. This was just a test run, and we just wanted to take enough to let us see how things were going to look. OCLC has a complete list of what should go in each subfield of the 852 at www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/8xx/852.shtm. So far, we just haven't had time to look at transferring patron data, but I hope we will have time to do that in late August. If anyone has some spare time they can loan me.... Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System (254) 501-8995 (254) 501-7704 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:open-ils- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Stephenson > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing Bibliographic Information > > Don, et al., > > Thanks for the information about the 852 tag. This is very helpful. > > I have so far tried importing about 850,000 bib records into Evergreen > from our Horizon database, and the process did not go well. Apparently, > our Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of RAM cannot handle processing all 850,000 > bibs at once, so I will have to break it up into chunks. > > I'm wondering if you have any benchmarks for how much RAM/CPU resources > the conversion programs use per X number of records. The > direct_ingest.pl on my test machine segfaulted after about 250,000 > records. I'm assuming that I'll need to load them in batches of 50,000 > to 100,000 to be successful. > > Also, for Deanna, I have a specific question. Can you tell me what > parameters you used for your export target in Horizon to get your item > info into the 852, please? I'm looking at this for our consoritum right > now and while I have some ideas, it would save me a lot of time teasing > it out if I had someone else's to look at. > > Cheers, > Jason > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:59:25 -0400 From: Jason Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing Bibliographic Information To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Deanna, Thank you very much for the info. which I deleted in my reply. That is most helpful and will get me more than started. I'll look at the link you included as well, since the more information I can get the better. > > So far, we just haven't had time to look at transferring patron data, > but I hope we will have time to do that in late August. If anyone has > some spare time they can loan me.... Right now, I'm thinking that I will see how the patron data is laid out in Evergreen and then write a perl or SQL to dump our patron data from horizon into a tab-delimited file that I can just load into our Evergreen database. First, I want to get bibs and items in there. I'm thinking that something similar would work for statistical data, but that's trickier to get at in Horizon since that part of the system is not very well documented. (At least, not that I've seen.) We're perfectly willing to share anything that we come up with for Horizon to Evergreen migration. Right now, we are exploring Evergreen as an option. We don't know what we're going to do when the time comes, but we're expecting to move to something else in 2009. However, I'd like to know what I need to do for a full migration, so I can tell the directors in my consortium that a switch to Evergreen would likely take X days, etc. Cheers, Jason ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:07:39 -0400 From: "Mike Rylander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Evergreen Start Up Questions To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Jami, and thanks Don! Just a couple minor clarifications... On 7/26/07, Don McMorris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/26/07, Jami Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am researching the transition from a commercial ILS system to an open source ILS system and have a couple questions: > > > > 1. What commercial system was PINES using prior to the Evergreen implementation? > > > > I believe it was DRA/Dynix Classic, but I'm not 100% sure... It was Unicorn, actually. Same vendor now a-days, though. :) [snip] > > 3. If so, did each library maintain its own installation that talked to a central system or was the original commercial implementation completely centralized? (I have read about the 5 year contract expiring and wonder if each server at each institution was expiring at the same time or only one at a central location) > > > > As far as I know, the original system was housed on servers at a > central location. This is the same way the current system is > implemented. > It was on a single central ($2M+) Solaris server, yes. Now PINES is on a central cluster of about 30 Linux servers (failover, HA, etc) for about 1/8 the total cost. --miker ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:07:15 -0500 From: "Deanna Frazee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Importing Bibliographic Information To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jason, > I'm thinking that something similar would work for statistical data, but > that's trickier to get at in Horizon since that part of the system is > not very well documented. (At least, not that I've seen.) I'm not sure what it would take to modify it, but Alpha-G created Enriched Statistics for Horizon. It's a much nicer stats program than what Horizon already has, and I am hoping that they can easily adapt it to Evergreen. 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