Hi Ben, I was discussing this with a co-worker yesterday, and it's pretty much the conclusion we came to, once we started going over the holds matrix sheets. A combination of patron type/circ modifier should solve this problem, and because there are several different types of children's materials, we can limit the no reserves policy to, say, the fiction books while allowing parents to be able to hold the parenting books (which are in the children's departments) and seasonal material. Thanks for the illustration - it will help when it comes to describing the solution to the children's Librarian. Rebecca Rebecca Larocque Head of Information Services, North Bay Public Library 271 Worthington St. East North Bay, ON P1B 1H1 705-474-4830 FAX 705-495-4010 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> "[N]othing is more fatal to the maidenly delicacy of speech than the run of a good library." -Robertson Davies -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Shum Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:56 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Can you answer these questions three? Hi Rebecca,
I'll make an attempt at trying to explain how the circ/hold behavior might work. You asked: "I guess what my question is whether or not it's possible to limit holds by age while not limiting circulation (i.e. adults can take out material with a collection code of JFIC, but they can't put holds on it)" In Evergreen, circ/hold behavior is defined using circulation modifiers (circ mods, for short). "Collection code" sounds like it would roughly translate to an Evergreen copy location (which acts more like a label defining its place in the library and doesn't fully control the behavior of an item). Each patron group would be a "permission group". In more recent versions of Evergreen, circ/hold behavior is setup using policy editors (found in Admin --> Local Administration --> Circulation Policy Editor Hold Policies Editor) that relate to tables in your Evergreen database. If you were to create two different circ mods for your collection, one for adult material and another for children, you can define different policies per circ mod per permission group. So for example, you had a circ mod of "abook" for adult material, vs. "jbook" for children, you could write your circ policies this: For the "adult" permission group, allow circulation of "abook" items. For the "adult" permission group, allow circulation of "jbook" items. For the "child" permission group, allow circulation of "jbook" items. For the "child" permission group, do NOT allow circulation of "abook" items. Then for the holds, you could define that: The "adult" permission group is allowed to place holds against items with a circ mod of "abook". The "adult" permission group is NOT allowed to place holds against items with a circ mod of "jbook". The "child" permission group is allowed to place holds against items with a circ mod of "jbook". The "child" permission group is NOT allowed to place holds against items with a circ mod of "abook". Using different circ mods, you can create many items for the same bib record in this fashion, but use the circ/hold policies to define different behavior for the items even though they may hang off the same record. I hope that helps a little, please feel free to ask more specifics about this to the general list and we'll do our best to answer. I'll leave your first two questions to those that may have more experience in explaining those areas. Cheers and happy migration! -- Ben On 02/07/2011 10:48 PM, Rebecca Larocque wrote: Good evening all! My library is hoping to migrate to Evergreen sometime in June. I've got questions coming out of the ying-yang, but here are a couple to get things started: Once upon a time, there was some discussion about homebound service. What happened to that? Is there a way to capture circ history for certain patrons? Otherwise, what do libraries do for work-arounds? In the 2.0 version of EG, there is an Acquisitions module (and the users rejoiced!). One of the features my Acq librarian is missing is the ability to apply vendor discounts to a) individual items or b) whole invoices. I've come up with a work-around which might work in the short term, but we'd like something for the long term; if anyone is doing development in this area (or is interested in it), we'd be happy to partner with someone. Finally (and this is a long one), I have a cataloguing question. Patrons under the age of 12 are unable to take out material in the Adult department but adults are able to take out material in the Children's department. This creates problems when there is a popular children's book that both the under-12 set and adults are interested in reading. If there are copies available in Children's department, under-12s and adults can put reserves on the copies but the under-12s don't get priority (even though it's material in their "department"). The solution has been to have two separate bib records, one with copies in the Adult department and one with copies in the Children's department; adult holds go on the adult copies, under-12 holds go on the Children's copies. There must be a way to do this in EG with one bib - the idea that I floated is we separate the departments into branches, with under-12s being members of the Children's branch and only able to take material out from that branch. However, adults need to be able to take out material from the Children's department/branch which means they would be able to put holds on Children's material and then we're back to the original problem of adults getting on the list for Children's material before the under-12s. (Clear as mud? I've got a great interpretive dance I can do to highlight the main points!) I guess what my question is whether or not it's possible to limit holds by age while not limiting circulation (i.e. adults can take out material with a collection code of JFIC, but they can't put holds on it). Cheers! Rebecca Rebecca Larocque Head of Information Services North Bay Public Library 271 Worthington St. E. North Bay, ON P1B 1H1 Phone: (705) 474-4830 x2821 Fax: (705) 495-4010 -- Benjamin Shum Open Source Software Coordinator Bibliomation, Inc. 32 Crest Road Middlebury, CT 06762 203-577-4070, ext. 113
