Thank, Elaine, this is a helpful explanation. One of the problems I see with placing hold on metarecords involves the standard formats. I like that you can place a single hold on all formats of Great Expectations (or whatever) or limit the hold to books, audiobooks, videorecordings, etc. But Books seems to include Large Print (a format a lot of people don't like) and the person who wanted the book on CD may not be able to use the book on cassette, etc.
If a system were using a locally defined index for formats as described in the search grammar page, would that work for metarecord holds? http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=documentation:technical:search_grammar Also, can anyone tell me whether there are plans to include this feature in the Template Toolkit skin? -- Elizabeth Thomsen, Member Services Manager NOBLE: North of Boston Library Exchange 26 Cherry Hill Drive Danvers MA 01923 Blog: http://www.noblenet.org/ethomsen/ E-mail: [email protected] On Sun, September 11, 2011 9:59 pm, Hardy, Elaine wrote: > Grouping formats and editions into metarecords is not effective if you > don't have relatively clean data. The imperfections in the grouping > algorithm are magnified. Because the union database for PINES was created > out of individual library databases with different bibliographic utilities > and widely divergent adherence to national standards, we had a large > number of duplicate records or records with incorrect coding and other > information. As a result, grouping did not work when we went live with > Evergreen. It was initially the default for search results (or at least > easier for the search results to be returned as metarecords -- it has been > 5 years and my memory around it is a little fuzzy) in PINES Evergreen. > However, it was immediately apparent that it just didn't work for us. So > it was made optional in the advanced search. If you have few duplicate bib > records and records primarily correctly coded and described, this feature > probably works well for you. > > Elaine > > > J. Elaine Hardy > PINES Bibliographic Projects and Metadata Manager > Georgia Public Library Service, > A Unit of the University System of Georgia > 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 > Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 > 404.235-7128 > 404.235-7201, fax > > [email protected] > www.georgialibraries.org > http://www.georgialibraries.org/pines/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Elizabeth Thomsen > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:54 PM > To: Evergreen Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Metarecords and copy numbers > > Thanks, Ben, sorry I missed that bug ticket! I'm now subscribed. > > As for people being interesting in Group Formats and Editions, I feel like > this is an underused and underpromoted feature of the Evergreen catalog. > The grouping algorithm is not perfect, but it seems to work really well, > and the benefits to the user seem obvious. What's the downside? > > Is there a reason this is typically only shown as an option on the > Advanced Search screen? > > On Sat, September 10, 2011 10:33 pm, Ben Shum wrote: >> To follow up, I found the bug ticket on this particular issue described. >> I guess I was the original person who reported it to the community >> back in January 2011 when we were first testing Evergreen 2.0. >> >> See here for bug details: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/707757 >> >> Good to know that others are still interested in the "group formats >> and editions" option for the OPAC, I guess. >> >> -- Ben >> >> On Sep 10, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Elizabeth Thomsen wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Ben! I never thought that it might have been a 2.0 thing, >>> and wondered how I could never noticed this before. I realize now >>> that my favorite Evergreen sites have all upgraded since I last looked > at this. >>> >>> On the topic of grouping records and the language of FRBR, check out >>> j.weinheimer's video "Conversation between a patron and the library >>> catalog" that's been making the rounds: >>> >>> http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12351402/conversation-between-a-patro >>> n-and-the-library-catalog-short >>> >>> -- >>> Elizabeth Thomsen, Member Services Manager >>> NOBLE: North of Boston Library Exchange >>> 26 Cherry Hill Drive >>> Danvers MA 01923 >>> Blog: http://www.noblenet.org/ethomsen/ >>> E-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> On Sat, September 10, 2011 4:30 pm, Ben Shum wrote: >>>> Hi Elizabeth, >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, I can confirm that this bug is known to exist for >>>> awhile now. It started when some new code was added to the OPAC in >>>> 2.0 to display copy info in the results summary page. >>>> >>>> I can't remember if there's an active bug ticket on the issue yet >>>> but will check Launchpad later for this topic and post back if no >>>> one else gets to it first. >>>> >>>> -- Ben >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my Droid Incredible. >>>> >>>> Elizabeth Thomsen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> We really like the option to group formats and editions, and the way >>>> it allows users to place a single hold on multiple different bib > records. >>>> It's one of my favorite features in Evergreen. >>>> >>>> I have a question about the way the metarecords display in the >>>> results list. In our own training system and the live Evergreen >>>> sites I've checked, the metarecords show as having 0/0 copies, which >>>> certainly must discourage patrons from placing holds on them. >>>> Logically, shouldn't these copy numbers be aggregated from all the >>>> bib records? And if they can't be, is there any way to suppress the >>>> display of the copy numbers for the metarecords? No copy number >>>> information seems much better than wrong copy number information, >>>> especially when 0 makes these look like hopeless for holds when the >>>> metarecords actually increase the chances that the user will get a >>>> copy of the book faster than if they choose only a single bib >>>> record. >>>> >>>> It's possible I'm missing something obvious here, in which case I >>>> hope someone will enlighten me! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Elizabeth Thomsen, Member Services Manager >>>> NOBLE: North of Boston Library Exchange >>>> 26 Cherry Hill Drive >>>> Danvers MA 01923 >>>> Blog: http://www.noblenet.org/ethomsen/ >>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >
