Thank you, Joe. You explained with so much clarity exactly what I was trying to say about comparing Evergreen with Linux, PostgreSQL, or other FOSS projects.
On 2013-01-04, at 15:15 , Joe <[email protected]> wrote: > I wasn't planning on jumping into this conversation, but as someone who is > not truly a tech professional, but has been thrust into the role over the > last few years, I think the one important point to make about Evergreen > versus Linux or SQL is that what version I'm running seems to matter much > more for whether the system responds the way you expect it to in Evergreen > than in those programs. > > For instance, in my library I have at least 6 instances of linux running, and > at least 4 of them are running MySQL. I can't possibly tell you what version > of the linux kernel any of them are running, or what version of MySQL. In > fact, I'd be luckly to accurately remember which version of Debian or Ubuntu > they have. It's probable that they are running at least three versions of > MySQL and 4 or 5 versions of the linux kernel. That said, when I go to > access the desktop (on those with a gui) they all respond more or less the > same and when I go into the command line, all of the commands that I can > remember off hand work the same in all of them. > > Meanwhile, I would suspect that I would notice the difference between > Evergreen 1.6 and 2.3. My staff have noticed the difference between 2.1 and > 2.3 in the minor changes in the things the staff interface does, not even > mentioning jspac versus tpac... > > The thing is the way we interact with Evergreen, and how changes impact us, > matters more to library staff than changes in the linux kernal matter to > ordinary linux users. > > I suppose I don't have a strong opinion either way, however, if it were my > decision, I prefer release numbering that maintains some short-hand of how > large of a jump the change is, not necessarily just incorporating new > versions of it's dependencies. After all, will the new version appear to be > the same to the front line staff users or will it be radically different? > > Just my two cents worth. > > Have a good day. > > Joe > > Joseph Knueven > Director > Germantown Public Library > 51 N. Plum St. > Germantown, OH 45327 > 937-696-9998x10 > > [email protected] > On 1/4/2013 3:55 PM, Rogan Hamby wrote: >> I will concur with Lebbeous that library directors do learn about >> PostgreSQL and Linux - not in the same way, not based on the same data >> points that a systems administrator does but they do. And that's a bit of >> my point, the versioning is a data point short cut for them, a short hand if >> you will to communicate things that we sit down and dig in more depth for. >> And I say we here, but my day job is actually not IT but as an administrator >> (HR, ordering books, etc...) and I can tell you that directors and others >> are interested in FOSS and they do know names like Linux and SQL. >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Lebbeous Fogle-Weekley >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> Alexey, >> >> I think you're way off when you say that there's a wider audience dealing >> with Evergreen directly than with PostgreSQL and Linux. You must know that >> the former has many thousands of direct users, and the latter millions. >> >> Plenty of people concerned with those projects are in the management layer >> at various organizations that use F/LOSS for all kinds of things. It's odd >> to me that you suggest that Evergreen is special in that library >> directors and other people besides developers are interested in it. >> That situation isn't unique to Evergreen at all. >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On 2013-01-04, at 14:23 , Rogan Hamby <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > As a postscript, >> > >> > P.S. >> > >> > My previous statements are not an argument against change. As I said >> > before, I have nothing against eating my liver hash (apologies to those >> > who like liver) for greater health but I want the benefit to be clear and >> > substantial for the hassle I can guarantee you I (and others) will have. >> >> Hi, Rogan. Why would there be any more hassle than during a regular upgrade >> to a new version? >> >> Aleksey Lazar >> PALS >> IS Developer and Intergrator >> 507-389-2907 >> http://www.pals.org/ >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lebbeous Fogle-Weekley >> | Software Developer >> | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts >> | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) >> | email: [email protected] >> | web: http://www.esilibrary.com >> >> >> >> -- >> ---------------------------- >> Rogan Hamby >> Headquarters Manager, York County Library System >> >> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit >> me.” >> ― C.S. Lewis > Aleksey Lazar PALS IS Developer and Intergrator 507-389-2907 http://www.pals.org/ [email protected]
