All, Yes. Something very badly and horrible has gone wrong. Right now in our staff client, the Staff group is gone. To top that off, now the system is down and no one can get in. <sigh> People with more knowledge than I have are working on it and we are hopeful it will be back to normal soon.
Still, it should have been “impossible” for these to be deleted as a whole group since, as you say, the permissions themselves were actually assigned. Is it somehow possible in the staff client to make them not SEEN? I’m just picking at straws here, trying to figure out the steps that led us here. Thanks! Jennifer -------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Inconceivability Kinlaw Library - Asbury University One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269 jlw...@asbury.edu From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 3:54 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted? Hi Jennifer, With the caveat of anything is theoretically possible if an admin has done bizarre thing x, y and z .... Generally Patrons will be a child of Users and it would be impossible to delete Users and Patrons still exist. It's kind of like yanking the foundation out from under a building and the building not moving. You can certainly delete groups and permissions be in the system. Permission Groups and Permissions are totally separate things. Permission Groups are a label, say Catalogers, that have Permissions associated with them. However, permission groups have constraints against a number of other tables. It would non-trivial to delete them if they are used in holds rules, circ rules, assigned the users/patrons, etc... I'm echoing Thomas a bit here but what you're describing sounds very unlikely. What ever appears to be happening from the staff client level is most likely, at the very least, not the whole story. If you don't have database level access to your system you need to contact someone who does to investigate what is happening. On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Walz, Jennifer <jlw...@asbury.edu<mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu>> wrote: Thomas, Very interesting! And completely confusing. What I think you are saying is that it is possible to delete the GROUP, but meanwhile all the actual permissions are still in the system? When evergreen was started, it has two main permission groups. Patrons and Users. Our patrons group is still there, but the whole group of Users is gone and as far as I can tell, so are the actual permission profiles that were under that group. Cataloger, Catalog Administrator, Circulation Administrator, Systems Administrator, etc. It would seem to me that what you are saying makes sense, that of course you cannot delete the actual permission profile if there are users attached to that profile. But is it possible to delete the whole group AND all the permission profiles underneath can go away? Thanks! Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Thomas Berezansky Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:14 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted? All the permission assignments are in the database, not the file system. Taking a very quick look it appears that deleting a group assigned directly to a user should fail due to key constraints, but deleting a group only assigned to users as a secondary mapping (permission.usr_grp_map table) would be possible. Thus, in addition to getting your missing rows out of the permission.grp_tree table you would need to get the missing permission.grp_perm_map entries and permission.usr_grp_map entries. If your permissions are still working, though, I would instead assume that something happened to make them not show up where you expect them. Have you checked at the database level to see that they are, in fact, gone, and it isn't just that permission to touch those groups isn't assigned properly? Thomas Berezansky Assistant Network Administrator Merrimack Valley Library Consortium 4 High ST, Suite 175 North Andover, MA 01845 Phone: 978-557-8161<tel:978-557-8161> -----Original Message----- From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Walz, Jennifer Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:54 To: Evergreen Discussion Group <email@example.com<mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] All permission groups deleted? All – So, what happens when all the staff permission groups are deleted? How is it that people can still login to the system? Staff with “cataloger” permissions and “circ” permissions and so forth? What happens when they try to login with that account? Does evergreen ‘assign’ them some other type of permission? Our patron permissions group is fine. Our staff group got obliterated. And how do you get the permissions all back? We have the server backed up. Where do these reside and can you copy them back onto the current working server? File location? Thanks! Jennifer -------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of Insanity Kinlaw Library - Asbury University One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390 859-858-3511 ext. 2269<tel:859-858-3511%20ext.%202269> jlw...@asbury.edu<mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu> -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Rogan R. Hamby, Data and Project Analyst Equinox - Open Your Library ro...@esilibrary.com<mailto:ro...@esilibrary.com> 1-877-OPEN-ILS | www.esilibrary.com<http://www.esilibrary.com>