On Mar 7, 2006, at 4:55 PM, Christopher D. Clausen wrote:

Jeffrey Hutzelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Back in the 1980's (long before I got to CMU), a few people had a
grand vision.  They imagined a world in which every student and staff
member had his or her own small computer.  All of these machines
would be similar hardware and run the same software, maintained and
distributed by a central support group, which would also manage the
machines so that individual users wouldn't have to know how.

I think this is where UIUC differs. The problem is that there isn't a single entity managing all computers (as is the case at most schools.) There is a centrally maintained Active Directory domain, with seperate OUs delegated to various other autonomous groups: http://www.ad.uiuc.edu/

It sounds like UIUC is similar to University of Michigan, where the administration strongly encourages decentralization. At one time UofM had more than a half-dozen AFS cells in it, each run by different departments with different rule sets.

For fiddily stupid reasons, the main campus AFS service (called IFS, as I slip into UMisms below) charged too much for IFS space and didn't supply much in terms of large quotas. This changed a year or two back, and the result is that departments are finding they can get AFS space from the IFS service cheaper than they can run it themselves. Of the existing campus cells I know of, all but two are scheduled to or in the process of converting to using central IFS. One of those is the research cell at CITI, which will probably never go away, and one is at a school which has some severe restrictions on what they can do with their data due to medical and research privacy regulations.

Since the changes to storage charges and quotas, IFS space has been growing spectacularly. Our usage is up 50% in the last 75 days. The advantages of a campus-wide filestore (especially when backed by what is effectively a campus-wide single sign-on; see <http:// www.umich.edu/~umweb/software/cosign/>) are huge.

AFS/IFS has historically not supported Windows nor MacOS well. This seems to be changing, but other folks can speak to that better than I. If/when it does, I expect IFS to start making more inroads in those communities on campus.

But there will always be a need for local file store, where 'local' is a deliberately vague word. We have departments or groups which need multiple terabytes of disk for a weekend of heavy-duty data crunching. No network-attached file server is going to serve that data across gigabit links and give adequate performance; SANs might but who can afford to borrow a SAN for a weekend? Only departmental- level storage is going to meet those requirements.

I guess my point is that AFS is *an* answer to file system issues, but there is not and likely will never be an answer to *all* file system issues, regardless of centralized vs decentralize or commercial vs. academic. Bleeding edge research using large bulk data needs its store 'close to' the CPUs, as does corporate data mining. Regulatory issues sometimes mean that file store cannot be centralized without putting the entire central support staff (and file store) under onerous requirements. Sometime Micro$oft trumps everything. There's a mix, there's always going to be a mix.
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