On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:12:25AM -0400, Derrick Brashear wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Have the USENIX association lawyers been made aware they are accepting 
> > funds in a manner which may expose them to trademark litigation from IBM? 
> > Either this trademark IS an issue, and blocks creation of a foundation, and 
> > ANYONE that accepts funds for doing work on 'OpenAFS' is potentially 
> > liable, or it's not.
> 
> You asserting that doesn't make it true.
> 

Then what the hell *is* the deal with the AFS trademarks? Can I market a 
product as 'Compatible with OpenAFS'? If I submit code to Gerrit for an IPv6 
implementation that afs3-std has not signed off on, is someone going to claim 
I'm violating IBM's trademarks and/or the copyrights on the .xg files?  

I would like to hear an opinion of the Usenix association lawyers, IBM's 
laywers, or Red Hat's lawers, as a public statement on this mailing list, 
rather than all the uninformed speculation all of us are doing about it.

> > Is there a statement to what ends a donation to the Usenix openafs fund 
> > would be used for?
> 
> Any purpose the Elders believe will further the ends of OpenAFS. Given
> the low amount of money involved it has been things like
> - procuring a 64 bit intel machine for a Linux port when such things were rare
> - subsidizing (or guaranteeing against) cost overruns for AFS workshops

I think the Elders have done a wonderful job ensuring the AFS workshops 
continue.

Unfortunately, this appears to be all they are capable or willing to do, since 
there has been talk of a foundation for years, and the conclusion, as far as I 
can tell, was 'its too hard, with all the trademark/IBM license nonsense'.

What is the official documented process for me to apply to be an AFS Elder and 
try to get some of this crap done?
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