> Reading your opening email I think you have shown poor judgement in 
> collecting data for your survey.   If you were truly wanting to know 
> what reasons people made for going to a given engine, then you would not 
> have entitled it Railo.  You would have made it broader. 
>
>
I am specifically gathering information about how people came to be using *
Railo*. I am not gathering information about how they came to be using 
ColdFusion, nor OpenBD. I do specifically say this in both the blog article 
and the survey itself. So, sorry Alan, you're not right.

It's a completely legitimate question, and it's completely legitimate to 
ask it here as I know some people who primarily use OpenBD also use Railo 
in some situations. So - and this goes back to one of the semi-valid points 
that Marcus actually managed to make - there will be people who might be 
paying attention here, but who do not subscribe to the Railo mailing list, 
the Adobe forums (where I also posted, and did not get any gyp for it, I 
hasten to add), or my blog / Twitter updates. Admittedly, it won't be many 
people, but it'll be some, and I consider that their paths might have been 
different to the bog standard "migrated from ColdFusion" that I'd get from 
the other places I'm asking.


So for that reason, no matter what results you collect they are already 
> skewed and not informing you anything meaningful or useful.   You are 
> simply pandering to the choir who are already drinking the kool-aid in 
> the gallons not worrying about the long term effects. 
>

Again, I don't think you're right, what's more you're being dismissive and 
slightly pre-emptively defensive. Plus you're just spouting platitudes 
which hardly make any sense anyhow. What choir? What kool-aid? What are you 
talking about?

That said, no, I know it's not going to be a statisically-balanced survey. 
Getting one of those on such a small community - and one with only small 
representation on social media - is difficult. But that is *why* I am 
asking the question not only on the Railo mailing list but on other 
relevant CFML ones too (this reminds me: I must ask on CF-TALK too).

 

> I applaud you for your effort, 


Well: no you don't Alan. based on what you just said. That's another 
platitude, isn't it?

That's fine (honestly, I don't mind one bit), but it's disingenuous to type 
the previous paragraph, and then follow it up with "I applaud your effort".

 

> but resulting to name calling and 
> disrespecting the community is really beyond anyone that should be 
> contributing on this list. 
>

Well let's look at that. If we're talking about disrespect, that kinda 
kicked off with Marcus's initially unnecessary and patronising post didn't 
it? I don't suffer fools gladly, Alan, so I gave back. All I really did was 
take the piss out of him a bit. Something I figure was pertty much 
warranted of when dealing with the sort of "get off my lawn" sort of people 
who pipe-up unnecessarily on forums, sometimes. I mean... what was Marcus 
trying to achieve by responding like that in the first place? He was after 
a rise. He got one. Job done, I say!

 

> Open source is about collaboration, compromising and getting stuck in 
> and helping each other. 
>

Yes. So meeting a perfectly harmless posting which is perhaps *slightly*off 
topic, but posted in good faith and for a well-judged reason with 
hostility doesn't exactly engender this, does it?

Anyway, not to worry. I'm sure no-one lost an eye.

-- 
Adam

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