At 4:00 PM -0700 on 7/7/99, Alain Farmer wrote:
>Alain : It�s a little known clause (but nonetheless standard) that
>allows an author to prohibit the exploitation of his work by people or
>organizations that would adversely affect his reputation. Such nasties,
>for example, as Aparteid, Nukes, etc. More relevantly, organizations
>that would subvert our project, such as MicroSloth, etc. No, I am not
>usually the paranoid type!
i would oppose any clause along those lines. I, however, would not oppose a
clause that would prohibit our names being used to construe endoursement of
such.
>Anthony : If they were all OpenSource licences, it would not be a
>problem.
>
>Alain : I remain skeptical. One OpenSource licence per element (icons,
>graphics, sounds, components, source code, etc) is still a lot of
>licences. How will the licence of each element be specified,
>maintained, and reported to the developer?
OpenSource licenses are not. If you have 30 icons all under the GPL, you
need only distribuyte the GPL. But I do think that we should sitribute
icons under the OpenCard licence.
>Will the developer have to
>contact any or all of these licensors to obtain their permission?
No, not with opensource.
>>Alain : I believe that people are inherently creative,
>>and would work even if, hypothetically, money was no
>>longer in the picture. Like in Star Trek !
>
>Anthony : I don't believe that people would work for no reward. And I
>don't believe history believes it, either. You don't want my opinion on
>altruism, in all likely-hood, because that would start a political
>debate :)
>
>Alain : I am prepared to have this debate with you, if and when we find
>the time and you are so inclined. Not on the list though, of course.
I don't have the time presently (i'm already negaged in one political
debate, one Interpreter, one ResCraft, and one Standard Preference AND
trying to sing along... "Deine zauber binden wieder was die Mode...")
>Anthony : Hey... wait a second.. shit generally is not a good thing
><g>.
>
>Alain : It�s like the american saying �That�s BAD, man� to signify that
>you think something is GOOD.
Ah. I see. Normally, when we say it in America, it refers to something bad.
For example, if while someone was walking to the store, a bucket of paint
fell on them, one might tell them "shit happens."
>but they are certainly possible if
>well-meaning concert themselves.
It sounds like that political debate will be comming soon <g>.
>
>>Alain : It may even set the stage for the beginning of
>>a new social order based on some form of participatory
>>democracy.
>
>Anthony : A government by consent of the governed... wow... what a
>concept!
>
>Alain : Exactly! On a smaller more immediate scale, I would like the
>UFP and/or OpenCard to adopt such a form of government. An organization
>of free individuals who are governed by a set of mutally-agreed-upon
>rules and principles, drafted by and with the participation and consent
>of those so-governed. Incidentally, I am not talking about
>government-by-majority-rule, which would mean amongst other things that
>the group could not force you to do anything that you are against.
Ak... you just destroyed any chance of a political debate! We _agree_!
Hmmm... wait... maybe we can salvage this. Do you support complete
laissez-faire capitalism? Oppose the welfare state?
I'm glad I'm not the only person who sees that majority rule which controls
the minority is another form of mob rule.
>
>Anthony : Tell Clinton some time please :)
>
>Alain : Not just Clinton. Pretty much all of our contemporary
>politicians, eh !
Agreed. Vote Libertarian :)
>
>>It may sound a little bit far-fetched, I suppose, but
>>one should not under-estimate the impact of new media
>>in the shaping of our societies. If in doubt, then read
>>Marshall McLuhan (Global Village and so much more).
>>And, if you're REALLY interested, I can provide you
>>with other notable sources of inspiration for your
>>reading pleasure. Just ask.
>
>Anthony : Hmmm... I'd start with Atlas Shrugged.
>
>Alain : Is this a book title? An author? Or what?
A book by Ayn Rand. Too bad we don't have italics in email so we can make
these things clear :(
