> Alain: The collaboration infrastructure will be
> quite
> visible and, more importantly, it will scaffold our
> efforts and discussions.
Adrian: Yes, that's where we, and all the other,
non-C people on the list come in.
> Alain: That is what I surmise as well. My guess is
> that some of our members are working privately until
> such time that their product is clearly recognized
> as
> their own (e.g. not the product of a collective
> effort), to avoid debates and so on.
Adrian: Adrian: This is a real shame I think. We're
meant to be creating the product of a collective
effort, not just a product made from bits and pieces
of code that's been glued together.
> Adrian: I'm running a developer seed of OS 9 and
> Quid
> Pro Quo and it works just fine and dandy for me. I
> guess we'll just have to try it and see with OS 8.6.
>
> Alain: Is Quid Pro Quo better than NetPresenz?
Adrian: I don't know, if you are using NetPresenz then
I will start testing under it. I just found Quid Pro
Quo easier to set up.
> Alain: Are you saying that you have created
> HyperCard-based CGI programs that operate well with
> MacOS9? Was it an OS problem that Apple fixed? What
> version of HyperCard are you using?
Adrian: Yep. HC2.4.1, OS9 & Quid Pro Quo work
together perfectly. I will see if NetPresenz works
with HC and OS9.
> Alain: Yeah, Aladdin really screwed up lately. Newer
> version archives not open-able with the older
> version,
> and vice-versa. I believe they have fixed it since
> because we no longer have any trouble at all with
> our
> compression/expansion software.
Adrian: I think this is more an OS9 conflict, even
Adobe Acrobat Reader 3.1 broke and I had to upgrade to
4.0. I'm not sure what is breaking these things, but
it complains that they need updating to use the new
file format. I didn't hear anything about a new file
format in OS9.
> Alain: Scott Raney's conditions were (1) we work out
> the licencing issue, and (2) we establish some kind
> of
> organisational structure. Both are politically
> loaded.
Adrian: Yes. We should hopefully have the licencing
issue out of the way and we did make some ground work
on the structure as well. We need to restart
discussions on these things.
> Alain: I have been lurking from afar for some time
> now. Is that really the consensus at this time? Is
> it
> our best option? I thought that your voting CGI was
> created for the purpose of deciding this issue (and
> other issues later on).
Adrian: We will put the licencing issue to a vote, but
we have called for objections or comments on the
public domain licence a number of times with no
response. I was hoping to get a few more comments by
being authoritative. The voting cgi was originally
created to decide on leadership issues and it should
be used for this sometime soon I think.
> Alain: Nor am I, but it would encourage and motivate
> our members because there would be steady visible
> progress. Besides, we are a research and development
> group, aren't we?
Adrian: Good point. Perhaps the next question would
then be, what can you put up first? :)
> Alain: Infrastructure. We need to be able to
> ascertain
> what has been done, what direction we are heading
> in,
> what needs to get done, who is working on what, etc.
> Otherwise, the perception that emerges is that
> nothing
> is ever decided, nothing gets done, and that we are
> running around in circles.
Adrian: Excellent, then lets find ways to solve this.
A list of jobs to be done and people who are doing
them, methods to add jobs and volunteer to complete
jobs, give progress reports on jobs, all this needs to
be put on the web so we can see what is happening.
Adrian: The idea of being able to give updates by
email would make it easier all round and I think I
know how to achieve this. Basically, I want to be
able to give progress reports on work I'm doing by
sending an email rather than using up internet time
filling out an online form. I will look into this
today.
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