> Mark Rauterkus: I almost changed the name of
> this thread to More MetaCard ponderings.
Alain : I am glad that you didn't. It was one of my
main points (and Adrian's too).
> Alain : All MetaCard wants is the GUI, and that
> comes in the form of user-editable stacks.
Mark Rauterkus: Sigh. There is so much more to this
than a GUI. For us, for them for the global good, etc.
Alain: I agree that there is so much more to this than
a GUI .. for FreeCard, that is. I hope that 1.x
HyperCard compatibility will be the first of many
challenges that ww will achieve together.
> Mark: Agree. The constitutional dragon is in
slumber.
> Yes, it MUST be put back into action in due time.
> Later.
Alain: Exactly. We are on the same wavelength, Mark.
> Alain: Are we or are we not open-source?
Mark : Yes, we are. And, what I was mentioning with a
dual release is still OPEN-Source. Both are
OPEN-Source. Its the LICENSE that can be changed so we
have two (or more) if it is MORE ideal to do so.
Alain: Oh! I thought you were suggesting other
licencing schemes that are NOT open-source (e.g.
commercial licencing schemes). In hindsight, I
over-reacted.
> Mark: But, licenses can change. There is a mention
> the GPL that it can be changed...
> So, at face value, licenses can be changed.
Alain: Things are in focus now. You were writing about
'changes' but I was reading it as 'CHANGES'. :))
> Mark: More so, this whole process is about the
> management of change... The baazar is all about
> change.
Alain: Groovy!
> Mark: HOWEVER: We are NOTHING without
> associations and relationships with others
> and other enterprises -- except an island.
> We will not get anywhere without an open-ways
> attitude that extends and embraces.
Alain: Communication and Collaboration are the central
tenets of my enterprise. I hear you.
> Mark: I don't want our heads in the sand.
> I don't want to loose ground and loose trust
> by making un-calculated moves that are a pain
> to un-do.
Alain: While I agree with you, some people feel that
we are moving too glacially. Their prevailing
perception is that nothing ever gets decided or done
in FreeCard. They may not be altogether wrong. Apart
from our name, we are still at square one. Our lack of
decisiveness and/or concrete results is itself making
some lose trust, as you feared above.
> Mark: #1. We have a GPLed FreeCard.
Alain: Ohm.
> #2. We do everything and anything we can to
> get a massive (the rest of us) influx of folks
> using and co-developing FreeCard.
Alain: Definitely!
> Mark: To do this, IMSNHO, we are going to
> want to use as much leverage as possible...
Alain: Ok.
> Mark: ... and this might include using all of
> our options with various flavors of licenses.
Alain: Flavours of GPL, eh! We are not talking about
a radical change in dietary habits. ;-)
> Mark: A second or a third license release that
> covers our flanks and can greatly appeal to more
> of the unwashed is something that I'm hopeful
> we'll all understand and agree to in deployment
> and execution.
Alain: Given that we are talking about variations on
the GPL theme, I no longer have any serious objections
to what you propose .. except one. I hope that the
process of 'covering our flanks' with a few more
GPL-variants will not stall the progress of the
FreeCard project. Our undecisiveness has already
alienated several former and existing members of FreeCard.
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