On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 10:06, Brian McGuiness wrote:
> Further to the discussions the other week, i've looked into both 
> Sourceforge (www.sourceforge.org) and Savannah (www.savannah.nongnu.org)
> 
> Sourceforge (SF) is larger (~55,000 projects, ~550,000 users) compared 
> to Savannah (SV) (~1400 projects, ~13,000 users) although both seem to 
> offer very similar functions - CVS repository, home page, mailing lists, 
> download area, etc.

AFAIK, they are different revisions of the same code - therefore they
have similar functions.  SF is backed by a commercial entity.  SV,
AFAIK, is backed by the FSF.

> My only worry would be the OCF license not being 
> compatible with SVs GPL requirement but we could look into that.

I don't think the OCF license is a problem.  I read the OCF license to
be BSD-ish which is generally considered to be "more free" than GPL. 
I'm pretty sure it's compatible.

> I know that there were some changes to the SF Terms & Conditions a while 
> back which some people didn't like as they claimed it left scope for SF 
> to run off with your project some time in the future or start charging 
> subscriptions for access but I don't know how likely either of these 
> would be.  There was some discussion on it at Slashdot about a year ago 
> see 

My biggest gripe with SF is that it is backed by a commercial entity. 
The projects hosted there are subject to stockholders as opposed to
project owners and such.  I basically don't trust SF to be around.  I
personally wouldn't host a project there as I would be nervous that at
any time my CVS repository could go away.  JBOSS CVS was in-accessable
for about a week recently.  I do not know if they got it back yet.

Provided SV is in fact hosted by FSF, I would put much more trust in it
to be around for the long run.

I don't think it's exposure vs. rabid GNU adherence (as put by Mr
Kiniry).  To continue the analogy, I'd rather have my source code
protected by a rabid dog than one subject to a T-bone-steak.  That
doesn't make me rabid myself.

If SF gives project owners a contract, guaranteeing source/ownership
upon fold or other change, my fears would be nullified.

> I'm not overly bothered which one we go for.  I find the SV pages 
> slightly nicer on the eye but SF has a much larger user base which may 
> make it more attractive.

If I had to pick one of the two, I vote SV.  IMO, exposure is a
non-issue.  This is the Internet afterall.  We have search engines and
other methods of getting our URL known.  Won't opencard.org point to the
correct site anyways?

-joe
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