Yes, why don't the large suppliers of systems tell the card and card IC
suppliers what is needed, and then participate in the 7816 standards work to
push the necessary changes through? There has been a considerable revision
of 7816 under way for the last 2 years, and we don't even get a list of the
technical changes.

Today and tomorrow there is an open conference in London hosted by ICAO and
ISO/IEC JTC1 SC17, mainly on the technology of travel documents. I can't
make it today but will be there tomorrow. 14443 bridges across to 7816-4, so
the problems of 7816 are hitting the travel document developments.

EMV, incidentally, is still not 7816 compliant, although I'm now aware that
considerable efforts are being put into converging 7816, ETSI SCP and EMV.
Still needs to be brought into the open, though.

Peter
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From: "Michael Bender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Joseph Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [OCF] Serial number


> Joseph Smith wrote:
>
> > Whoa, wait a minute. ....
>
> I would like to respond to your comments, but it will take me a few
> days to seperate your general abrasiveness and borderline personal
> and corporate attacks from the points you are trying to make.
>
> Once I am able to distill what you are trying to say, I'll post
> here.
>
> I'm not really sure what you hope to gain by making statements
> such as: "Well, you're a Sun employee, why doesn't Sun do <this>
> or <that> or <the other>!?!?!?!!?". Your comments tend to go all
> over the map in a fairly disorganized and stream-of-conciousness
> manner that makes it difficult to follow what you're trying to
> say and to take seriously your participation in this discussion.
>
> Did you post to discuss the points that I originally brought up
> or did you just post to stir up the pot and then slink away and
> watch the fallout? If the latter, then I personally don't have
> time to engage you.
>
> mike
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