How does storing ConceptNode atoms with lojbanic labels improve over storing atoms with English labels? For practical applications, it seems like it would unnecessarily increase the size of the atomspace, and for training data, I expect there are vastly many more English to $X translation examples than Lojban to $X. Lojban is a fun toy, but like Linas, I don't see the problem that is being solved here. Sure Lojban has fewer rules to encode, but you still end up manually encoding them, as far as I can tell. Maybe it feel less like cheating because writing lojban feels like writing code to begin with...
All the Best, Matt -- Standard Disclaimer: Please interpret brevity as me valuing your time, and not as any negative intention. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> wrote: > FWIW, I am virulently anti-lojban, because mostly I believe it doesn't > solve any problems that we actually have. --linas > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Jim Rutt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I like this idea very much. I'm currently considering Lojban as a >> "knowledge engineering" language for a "really smart AI for games" project >> I'm starting to spin up. Prior to full on AGI I see some fruitful problems >> to be solved using "sort of AGIish" software that depends on human created >> domain specific declarative knowledge. My hypothesis is that there is a >> useful and talented - and not too expensive - class of human talent that >> can learn Lojban well who would not be appropriate for using tools that are >> less human language-like. These might include very bright but highly >> anti-quantitative liberal arts grads. Lojban strikes me as a potentially >> quite good adapter between the world of humans and the world of machines. >> >> ko pilno lo clearer pensi la lojban >> >> jim >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Here is a modest proposal, which would replace Relex2Logic with >>> something vaguely similar in spirit but much superior, >>> >>> http://wiki.opencog.org/wikihome/index.php/Lojbanic_Relex2Logic >>> >>> Actually it's a bit closer to the spirit of the bad old RelEx2Frame, >>> but with the significant difference that Lojban is a language with >>> complete coverage of everyday semantics, whereas FrameNet is sorely >>> limited and hasn't been honed by usage... >>> >>> -- Ben >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ben Goertzel, PhD >>> http://goertzel.org >>> >>> Super-benevolent super-intelligence is the thought the Global Brain is >>> currently struggling to form... >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> =========================== >> Jim Rutt >> JPR Ventures >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "opencog" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAPzPGw7p7MKC2d0MucQf8s4AimtSu-rNtkmm8Pprf03iJhJVdA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAPzPGw7p7MKC2d0MucQf8s4AimtSu-rNtkmm8Pprf03iJhJVdA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA35G-ooD2i_RMi93YN2T%2Bmo44coYytAkTj_0RsH9KOdzvg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA35G-ooD2i_RMi93YN2T%2Bmo44coYytAkTj_0RsH9KOdzvg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAPE4pjACHnC-m_V_9X9zb%3Dk7qg%2BmgOUygQOhpY3_zOjUUs1OCg%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
