Probably the concept of "expert system" is too old-school to be really useful
E.g. is Watson an expert system? Sort of. More so than OpenCog is, for sure. OTOH Watson relies on all sorts of deep learning behind the scenes, on natural language information extraction etc. etc. -- alongside some hard-coded rules. And Grady Booch has an AGI-oriented cognitive architecture in mind, which is lurking somewhere inside the Watson codebase... On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Andrei Suiu <[email protected]> wrote: > So do I interpret the answer right that OpenCOG in fact is a non-typical > Knowledge Base that in addition to the inference engines has some MindAgents > that are able to evolve/extend knowledge using more than just inference(like > clustering or importance spreading) ? > > > Of course, if you stretch the definition far enough you can convince > yourself a human baby is an "expert system" > -- > Does this mean that definition of "Expert system" is too broad to be useful > in differentiation between AI systems? > > Thanks, > Andrei > > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:05 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:03 AM, Andrei Suiu <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > At the first view it looks like AtomSpace is basically a Knowledge Base, >> > and >> > the MindAgents are Inference Engines, that makes OpenCOG look like an >> > Expert >> > System >> >> >> No. >> >> Most MindAgents are not inference engines -- e.g. calling clustering, >> or ECAN (importance spreading), an "inference engine" is way too much >> of a stretch >> >> Further, "expert systems" typically have their knowledge bases filled >> via curated or hand-coded knowledge, not via knowledge obtained by >> learning >> >> Of course, if you stretch the definition far enough you can convince >> yourself a human baby is an "expert system" (it contains some expert >> knowledge about drinking milk from its mommy, in its knowledge base), >> but ... well ... >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> “Our first mothers and fathers … were endowed with intelligence; they >> saw and instantly they could see far … they succeeded in knowing all >> that there is in the world. When they looked, instantly they saw all >> around them, and they contemplated in turn the arch of heaven and the >> round face of the earth. … Great was their wisdom …. They were able to >> know all.... >> >> But the Creator and the Maker did not hear this with pleasure. … ‘Are >> they not by nature simple creatures of our making? Must they also be >> gods? … What if they do not reproduce and multiply?’ >> >> Then the Heart of Heaven blew mist into their eyes, which clouded >> their sight as when a mirror is breathed upon. Their eyes were covered >> and they could see only what was close, only that was clear to them.” >> >> — Popol Vuh (holy book of the ancient Mayas) > > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org “Our first mothers and fathers … were endowed with intelligence; they saw and instantly they could see far … they succeeded in knowing all that there is in the world. When they looked, instantly they saw all around them, and they contemplated in turn the arch of heaven and the round face of the earth. … Great was their wisdom …. They were able to know all.... But the Creator and the Maker did not hear this with pleasure. … ‘Are they not by nature simple creatures of our making? Must they also be gods? … What if they do not reproduce and multiply?’ Then the Heart of Heaven blew mist into their eyes, which clouded their sight as when a mirror is breathed upon. Their eyes were covered and they could see only what was close, only that was clear to them.” — Popol Vuh (holy book of the ancient Mayas) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CACYTDBckU89biCcyQ_z49D8FgTN0wN1gK9BY%3DYu8iJYAjQoY_g%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
