"To see a World in a Grain of Sand And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour.
A Robin Redbreast in a Cage Puts all Heaven in a Rage. A dove house fill’d with doves and pigeons Shudders Hell thro’ all its regions. A Dog starv’d at his Master’s Gate Predicts the ruin of the State. A Horse misus’d upon the Road Calls to Heaven for Human blood. Each outcry of the hunted Hare A fiber from the Brain does tear." On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Cassio Pennachin <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe this thread has run way past its useful course, and suggest we > kill it. > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Alexey Potapov <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> This discussion seems senseless. You literally said: "No human can >>> remember 10000 of anything whatsoever". Now, you said that words don't >>> belong to the category of "anything whatsoever". Words have meaning, >>> spelling, pronunciation. Each Chinese character has the specific stroke >>> order. There are many other examples of more than 10000 things known by >>> humans (e.g. photostockers can recognize their works from 20000+ portfolios) >>> ... And the specific number doesn't really matter. I'll stop here >>> independent of your answer... >> >> >> Those are all incredibly bad examples. They are nonsense examples. >> Knowing words or recognizing images is not even vaguely close to knowing >> something. You are vastly over-estimating how smart humans are by a factor >> of 10 if not 100. >> >> --linas >>> >>> >>> 2018-03-17 17:30 GMT+03:00 Linas Vepstas <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> ?? >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure I know a lot more than 10000 words. That is not at all >>>> comparable to knowing 10000 things. Knowing 20000 words is comparable to >>>> knowing maybe 500 things. How, exactly, are you measuring knowledge? >>>> >>>> --linas >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Alexey Potapov <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No human can remember 10000 of anything whatsoever. The human brain is >>>>>> just simply not that big. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please, stop making such stupid claims. This is so obviously wrong that >>>>> I'm not sure if there is any sense to argue. "No human", "10000 of >>>>> anything", "not that big"??? I will not refer to eidetic memory possessed >>>>> also by some chess players... Just consider words. Normally, people use >>>>> few >>>>> thousands words, but writers use several tens thousands. Chinese writers >>>>> can >>>>> use more than 10000. Polyglots can speak more than 10 languages up to (or >>>>> more than) 1000 in which. Not sure how exactly much foreign words they can >>>>> remember, but even if it is just several thousands, it doesn't make a >>>>> principal difference. So, can't humans remember 10000 words?.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "opencog" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA365kv64%2Beov7xEawg2-%2B5ppNFWtuA46GAojDaRnu6L9kw%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > -- > Cassio Pennachin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CADwLDSQrwJwkx4KEVumra4piovOK-tJXS1FLAZax1_CwekAS_g%40mail.gmail.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind, there are no limits.... In the province of connected minds, what the network believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the network's mind there are no limits." -- John Lilly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CACYTDBfeQGp_oF_YO5eHe5jOsBo5dmEJG1mRn83T3QTN6%3D87%2BA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
