On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:05 AM Johannes Castner <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Linas, > > > Scheme and python already share the same atomspace. However, when you did >> the following in python: >> >> atomspace = AtomSpace() >> initialize_opencog(atomspace) >> >> you created a new, different atomspace that is not shared. These two >> steps are not needed. There are also other ways of working with multiple >> atomspaces and passing them between scheme and python, but simply skipping >> the above is just the simplest. >> >> > But scheme_eval needs an atomspace in the first position: > scheme_eval(atomspace, schemecode_string) > > What do I put into the first argument of this function if not a brand new > Atomspace? > from opencog.type_constructors import atomspace The variable atomspace has already been initialized to be the atomspace that scheme is using. -- Its a global variable. When you say `atomspace = AtomSpace()` you are clobbering the previous value of this global variable. -- Linas > Johannes > > >> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:38:04 PM UTC, linas wrote: >>> >>> Johannes, >>> >>> Data formats never exist outside of what you want to do with it. >>> Consider a question-answering system hooked to ConceptNet. You ask, "what >>> is an instrument?" and it says "thermometer, violin". Two things have to >>> happen here: first you have to analyze the English-language sentence to >>> figure out what the question actually is, and then you have to convert the >>> question into query that matches the format of your data. If your data is >>> a table, then the query is very different than if your data is a tree ... >>> and different if its a directed acyclic graph (DAG) .. or a non-directed >>> graph, with cycles, with or without labels, ... whatever. Each one requires >>> a different query. >>> >>> I can ask ConceptNet "what is an instrument?" because ConceptNet knows >>> about "words" and "concepts". But that question makes no sense for a genome >>> database. >>> >>> The above is just for question-answering. If you want to do somethin1g >>> else: reasoning, or statistics gathering, then .. all-change. Sometimes >>> tables are better, sometimes DAG's are better. Formats matter, they have >>> to fit with what you're doing. There's no one ring to rule them all. >>> >>> --linas >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 7:13 AM Johannes Castner <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, so I'd like to be able to merge JSON-LD ontologies with obo >>>> ontologies and owl ontologies, just the way that pronto does for owl and >>>> obo (here's my branch of pronto where I've already began building some JSON >>>> tools: https://github.com/jac2130/pronto). Ultimately, I think that >>>> loading in, merging and converting between ontology formats might be a >>>> common enough activity and one that getting right is worth the effort, so >>>> that it is worth the effort in having one tool that can load and convert >>>> any ontology and then also one code that loads ontological information in >>>> the most correct way possible into the AtomSpace. It makes no sense to me >>>> why there is one tool to load some genome ontology and another one to load >>>> in ConceptNet--there should be one tool for loading various formats into >>>> the AtomSpace and also that converts output from the opencog system back to >>>> those common formats (in particular, JSON-LD), so that it can be used in >>>> the usual way by other applications. The other thing that seems >>>> sub-optimal with this code is that it loads the CSV version rather than >>>> engaging with the JSON-LD data directly. Doing the latter would allow >>>> effortlessly merging other JSON-LD data with ConceptNet and adding all of >>>> that into the AtomSpace in a consistent way that can be improved and >>>> interrogated in a clean way such that it applies to all ontologies in a >>>> uniform way. I'll be working on such code, lest you think it is a waste of >>>> time? >>>> >>>> johannes >>>> >>>> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:59:43 AM UTC, amebel@hr wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Johannes*,* >>>>> >>>>> The script is found at >>>>> https://github.com/opencog/external-tools/tree/master/cnet_importer >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 12:45:22 AM UTC+8, Ben Goertzel >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We already have code that imports ConceptNet into Atomspace. >>>>>> >>>>>> Amen has worked with it... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 12:43 AM Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I think that, for starters, importing the concept-net data into the >>>>>> atomspace would be a good start. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > This would be a multi-step process: >>>>>> > 1) import it any-old-how >>>>>> > 2) import it such that the format is compatible with the existing >>>>>> nlp subsystem >>>>>> > 3) build some rudimentary question-answering system (on that can >>>>>> only answer 1 or 2 or 3 question types, from the imported data >>>>>> > 4) see if you can do anything whizzy with PLN >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I think I ordered this in terms of difficulty/complexity. I think >>>>>> I would be very interested in looking at, overseeing, advising steps >>>>>> 2,3... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > --linas >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:25 AM Johannes Castner <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Hi everyone, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I think I might want to try to improve on the solution below using >>>>>> opencog in some way. In particular, maybe the solution could be improved >>>>>> by first inferring some connections between ideas that are not >>>>>> represented >>>>>> in ConceptNet, from the ConceptNet data -- things that are likely also >>>>>> true >>>>>> but that are not expressed and then doing the embeddings on the more >>>>>> complete graph. Any thoughts? How does one get to more metaphorical and >>>>>> less explicit knowledge? I find this endlessly fascinating! >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> http://blog.conceptnet.io/posts/2016/conceptnet-5-5-and-conceptnet-io/ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "opencog" group. >>>>>> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >>>>>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/6d4023ae-f227-4be4-b123-5482e0b154bd%40googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "opencog" group. >>>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >>>>>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA36%2BHSM3HOW_rU7yK_5hKw6i%3Dq%3DYYfQ8i0ogkqV%3DHUxU-Q%40mail.gmail.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ben Goertzel, PhD >>>>>> http://goertzel.org >>>>>> >>>>>> "Listen: This world is the lunatic's sphere, / Don't always agree >>>>>> it's real. / Even with my feet upon it / And the postman knowing my >>>>>> door / My address is somewhere else." -- Hafiz >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "opencog" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/015836d5-524d-4905-b837-a48755afaa5f%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/015836d5-524d-4905-b837-a48755afaa5f%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you >>> >> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "opencog" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/7a268f2d-38d5-4e24-8f7c-aded497845a9%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/7a268f2d-38d5-4e24-8f7c-aded497845a9%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/792f91f6-6786-4b9a-b8ea-54ec382f398f%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/792f91f6-6786-4b9a-b8ea-54ec382f398f%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. 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