yeah kind of true... I mean -- NNs don't yet do everything that Lojban does. However, we have chosen to put more energy into symbolic extraction of grammatical patterns from transformer NNs rather than on Lojban analytics...
https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.12533 We have also btw tried training a seq2seq NN on an English/Lojban parallel corpus (of about 15K sentences), to translate English to Lojban. But given the size of the corpus and the complexity of Lojan, this was too hard for the standard-ish NN techniques we tried. We may try again later with fancier neural-symbolic methods.... Playing w/ Lojban is still cool but Matt is correct that the odds of it being a really critical part of a cognitive NLP pipeline are seeming lower than they did before... On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:22 PM Matt Chapman <[email protected]> wrote: > > There once was a linguistic treat, > It wrapped up ambiguity neat, > But when AI coders called > The problems it solved > Were found to be quite obsolete. > > If you prefer prose: Lojban once may have helped address some of the gaps in > machine understanding of human speech, but current speech-to-text and text > disambiguation techniques are so good, I doubt it's worth the trouble > anymore. If it were, I suspect someone would have done it by now. Just my > non-profession 2c. I kinda hope I'm wrong; Lojban a fun idea to play around > with. > > > All the Best, > > Matt > > -- > Please interpret brevity as me valuing your time, and not as any negative > intention. > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 9:49 PM h0p3 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Bump. I would be interested to hear anyone's conjectures, feelings, >> anecdotes, or poetry on this matter too. Anything, please. >> >> >> >> On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 2:26:22 PM UTC-4, Ben Goertzel wrote: >>> >>> We hadn't been doing much with Lojban for a while but actually right >>> now we are experimenting with training a seq2seq network for English >>> => Lojban translation, along with one for English => Lojbanic-Atomese >>> ... will let you know how it works! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:51 AM David Ireland <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > I have been studying Lojban for human-computer interaction research and >>> > by coincidence I stumbled on Ben's presentations on the topic. I was >>> > wondering if the OpenCog group still considers this an area of interest >>> > and if any insights have been discovered. >>> > >>> > Thanks. >>> > David >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> > "opencog" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> > email to [email protected]. >>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAF5Y0%2BF1GUu_NQpasbBqjJsbGCMgwYkP1BXiCr-eKzNxLX-Ubg%40mail.gmail.com. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ben Goertzel, PhD >>> http://goertzel.org >>> >>> “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to >>> live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same >>> time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, >>> burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders >>> across the stars.” -- Jack Kerouac >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "opencog" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/a394aefc-ba6b-4b6e-9b36-43b6d9e7bd35o%40googlegroups.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAPE4pjAiDyYtRXGzR8U44Pr4tJdf1LiAJYt-MAe_b9OS79kEJA%40mail.gmail.com. -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars.” -- Jack Kerouac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CACYTDBcopc1Pe-rUNQ%3DvckZUOTbpFuWXNHAY12gxqYKY68NNYw%40mail.gmail.com.
