Hi, On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 12:00 AM Ivan V. <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Linas, > > Linas wrote: > > And, while I have your attention, something completely off-topic, but: > in the https://github.com/opencog/learn project I have large datasets > with interesting info in them. I have plenty of ways of seeing this myself, > but I can't think of any easy way to expose what I see to other people. One > of the datasets shows relationships between tens of thousands of words, and > I'm wondering: how can I open this up to some interactive web query or > browser or chat, here you might ask "find similar words" or ... I dunno I'm > not even sure how to explain it. The project is going very well, I'm > getting good results, but I can't figure out how to make it exciting for > anyone else but me... > > If it is only tens of thousands of nodes, I believe they can be > successfully loaded into a web browser on a faster computer (in between 30 > second or so to load, depending on how heavy javascript post-processing > is). Maybe it would be a good idea to break intro examples to a few > fast-loading ones just to get visitor attention, and a few heavier ones, > once that you get the visitor attention. > Unfortunately, no. The data sets mostly all have ten to 20 thousand words in the English language; but to describe the various relationships between these words requires millions of atoms. The smallest datasets have maybe only 1 or 2 million atoms; usually, they have 10 to 20 million. > > Some obvious technical questions I can think of are: > > - Do you have any specific data examples? > > I have many hundreds of datasets... varying content, varying quality, varying parameters. > > - What data structures are you interested in? > > Well, there's a big difference between "what I am interested in" and "what might be impressive to curious onlookers". What I am interested in is well-taken care of: I have a huge assortment of scripts and tools to view and extract what I'm interested in. So that's not the problem. The problem is this: I feel like I'm making good progress, getting great results, but I don't know how to communicate that in a way that anyone else can see. That includes people like Ben, but also people like yourself: there is the "usual band of suspects" -- the people reading this email, maybe a dozen past participants, maybe another dozen onlookers. What can be demoed that might catch their attention, their imagination? > > - What kind of query language can be used to extract those structures? > > I've got a large variety of tools. All of them wrap the query engine in some way, hiding the low-level details. The issue is that "those structures" are themselves made out of thousands or tens of thousands of atoms at a time, so its like "here's a blob of a thousand atoms, look at how it relates to that one over there" -- where each blob represents a single word of the English language. A long long time ago, there was an opencog chatbot, and people did enjoy connecting to it and fooling around with it. I wish I could do that again, but the current datasets are not capable of supporting chat. At this time, the most you can ask for is for relationships between various words, for statistics about them. Well, and phrases, too, but that is a bit rockier, right now. > > - How close those structures are to s-expressions? > > Everything in the atomspace is an s-expression.... but you know this, of course. But atoms are very low-level. It is the assemblage of atoms, the network that matters. How they attach to one-another. That's where the intelligence lies. -- Linas > > All well, > - ivan - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAB5%3Dj6V1wjTSy-n552MzXaBQTGKrcEETTa%2B6EzAx%2BVhymA6JHw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAB5%3Dj6V1wjTSy-n552MzXaBQTGKrcEETTa%2B6EzAx%2BVhymA6JHw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Patrick: Are they laughing at us? Sponge Bob: No, Patrick, they are laughing next to us. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA36KSBL4jYb%3DPtbvSHfbYD5Gt%2BE%2B7s89JR1Ay6jawth7Zg%40mail.gmail.com.
