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ال press release زبالة وطلع من ورايا، حارجعلك فى فروقات محتملة للاستراتيجية On Monday 17 March 2014 14:51:31 Ahmad Gharbeia wrote: > فيه diff لما أخرجته الوزارة و ما اشتغلت عليه اللجنة؟ > > ;) > > رسالة [email protected] في 17 مار, 2014 م 12:36: > > Today's Topic Summary > > > > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/openegypt/topics > > > > * [Important] MCIT strategy <#group_thread_0> [7 Updates] > > > > [Important] MCIT strategy > > > > <http://groups.google.com/group/openegypt/t/f435511e3b8fd8ee> > > > > Ahmed Mekkawy <[email protected]> Mar 16 07:14PM > > > > Hello everybody > > > > The MCIT strategy was announced today. I would like everybody here > > to read > > it and give us feedback, as the community must have a say in this > > issue. > > > > English: > > http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Media_Center/Press_Room/Press_Releases/2967 > > > > Arabic: > > http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Ar/Media_Center/Press_Room/Press_Releases/2967 > > > > > > Please note that the press release is worse than the strategy > > itself, but > > both are important. > > > > Regards, > > ---- > > Ahmed Mekkawy > > CTO | Founder > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > > > Spirula Systems > > www.SpirulaSystems.com > > > > > > > > Ahmed Koraiem <[email protected]> Mar 16 11:17PM +0200 > > > > Is that the 3rd consecutive strategy in 3 consecutive years? These > > guys are > > doing a marvelous job :/ > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < > > > > > > > > Ahmed Koraiem <[email protected]> Mar 16 11:23PM +0200 > > > > Oh you meant the FOSS Strategy, that's well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarek Amr <[email protected]> Mar 17 01:24AM +0200 > > > > I will go through the bits and pieces that grabbed my attention in the > > press release and add my comments underneath them > > > > "The Ministry of Communications and Information Technology (MCIT) > > showcased > > the FOSS strategy main features during Cairo ICT" > > I can see here that in addition to the general interest in the > > ministry > > now, there supposed to be members who are aware of the topic enough to > > draft a strategy and present it in the ICT. > > Can we get the names of those who presented the strategy in the ICT? > > I will > > try to dig in the Strategy document for more names? Those can be our > > key > > contacts for now. > > > > "The Center has already started to design and implement FOSS training > > programs in the field of cloud computing and mobile applications in > > cooperation with the Technology Innovation and Entrepreneurship Center > > (TIEC)". > > Do We have something to offer here? Can OpenEgypt offer trainings to > > them? > > What topics should we focus on? What is the gap we need to cover here? > > Remember the the likes of IBM and Cisco will probably jump in > > wearing their > > FOSS hats to offer something here. > > > > Now let me have a quick look at the Strategy Document. > > > > "2.2 Improve Efficiency and Transparency of the Public Sector" > > This can serve as a gate to Open Source Software as well as Open > > Government > > Data. For example, CKAN is a FOSS software that is used by government > > to > > release their public data. We need to present that to them. > > > > Section 5, "High-LevelAction Plan", is a good summary for what are > > their > > plans. Thus, let me list the following points/opportunities. > > > > > > - They need to train governmental entities and the public as well. > > Accordingly, they will be looking for training partners. Open Egypt > > can > > work here as a consultant, or to offer trainings. I am eager to know > > your > > feedback about this. > > - They will on one hand advocate FOSS to SME's, but on the other hand > > the government will also act as purchaser of FOSS. Can we prepare a > > list of > > companies working in developing and customizing FOSS in Egypt? > > - We also need to have a list of key persons in the ministry and their > > roles within this strategy. > > - They said they will revise current ICT policies and related law > > articles relevant to FOSS adoption. What can be our input here? > > > > > > Finally, I can see that Open Egypt can act here as either consultant > > or > > service provider, however I personally prefer the former role more. > > We need > > to discuss that, bit, I think being a consultant or catalyst will > > make it > > easier to decentralize the work and not compete with existing SME's > > offering FOSS development and customization services. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahmed Mekkawy <[email protected]> Mar 17 01:13AM -0700 > > > > Tarek, > > > > Before I reply to your points, I want to clarify that this strategy > > was made > > by the help of OpenEgypt. Few of the founders were members in the > > committee > > who made this strategy. And we'll be involved in the execution as > > well. > > Whenever you see the community is mentioned, you can think of > > OpenEgypt. > > > > IMHO, the press release is pretty poor. I encourage you to read the > > strategy > > itself, which is downloadable from the same page of the press > > release, or > > here's the link: > > http://www.mcit.gov.eg/Upcont/Documents/FOSS_Strategy_EN_2014.pdf > > > > Let me reply to your points inline: > > > > On Monday 17 March 2014 01:24:02 Tarek Amr wrote: > > > Can we get the names of those who presented the strategy in the > > > > ICT? I will > > > > > try to dig in the Strategy document for more names? Those can be > > > > our key > > > > > contacts for now. > > > > The CairoICT event was announced on this mailing list before it > > happened. > > Anyway the presenter was Dr.Noha Adly (first deputy to the > > minister). The > > presentation she made was about the highlights of the strategy. The > > slides > > were available yesterday on the ministry website, but it's removed > > for some > > reason. Anyway it's attached to this email. > > > > > What topics should we focus on? What is the gap we need to cover > > > here? > > > Remember the the likes of IBM and Cisco will probably jump in > > > > wearing their > > > > > FOSS hats to offer something here. > > > > OpenEgypt will be represented in SECC council which will supervise and > > coordinate the execution of this strategy. This doesn't mean that we > > can > > actually control everything, but at least we'll see and interact > > with what's > > happening. Of course everyone will wear the FOSS hats, Microsoft > > already did. > > let's see what we can do. > > > > > Accordingly, they will be looking for training partners. Open > > > > Egypt can > > > > > work here as a consultant, or to offer trainings. I am eager to > > > > know your > > > > > feedback about this. > > > > I guess OpenEgypt can do the consultancy part, but offering training > > on > > proffessional basis is something I didn't consider. If someone want > > to work on > > this point, he's most welcomed. > > > > > - They will on one hand advocate FOSS to SME's, but on the other > > > hand > > > the government will also act as purchaser of FOSS. Can we prepare > > > > a list > > > > > of companies working in developing and customizing FOSS in Egypt? > > > > We worked on this for more than one time, we got some list on our > > wiki, but I > > can't say that it's the most complete one. > > > > > - We also need to have a list of key persons in the ministry and > > > their > > > roles within this strategy. > > > > I will be attending the first meeting for the execution isA, and will > > communicate as much as I can isA. > > > > > - They said they will revise current ICT policies and related law > > > articles relevant to FOSS adoption. What can be our input here? > > > > Our input here is really big. They won't be willing to change laws > > unless we > > fight for it. On the other hand we will need professional legal help > > to point > > out which laws need to be changed, and propose the required changes. > > We will > > have access to legal departments in the ministry, but I highly > > prefer we got > > our own. > > > > > to discuss that, bit, I think being a consultant or catalyst will > > > > make it > > > > > easier to decentralize the work and not compete with existing SME's > > > offering FOSS development and customization services. > > > > Agreed, we need to stimulate the private sector more than competing > > with it. > > > > > On 16 March 2014 23:23, Ahmed Koraiem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Oh you meant the FOSS Strategy, that's well. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Ahmed Koraiem > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ahmed ElHefnawy <[email protected]> Mar 17 11:17AM +0200 > > > > شكرا لاحمد مكاوي على البريد والرابط والمرفق الذي اسعدني الحظ برؤيته > > لاول مرة برغم اني كنت من مؤسسي المجموعة واعتقد بصراحة ان الموضوع لا > > يمكن الوصول فيه برد من خلال البريد الاليكتروني وادعو لاجتماع لمناقشة > > الامر واصدار رد مكتوب. > > وارفض دعوة م. احمد حسين السابقة التي لم تشمل مستندات بها كما فعل > > مهندس احمد مكاوي وبالتالي كان سيكون الاجتماع غير مجدي . > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahmed Mekkawy <[email protected]> Mar 17 12:21PM +0200 > > > > د. أحمد، > > > > للأسف أن النشر من طرف الوزارة كان مفاجئا لنا جميعا حتى أعضاء اللجنة > > لم يعلموا > > بموعد النشر. الجميع بما فيهم الأعضاء المؤسسين أسعدهم الحظ لأول مرة > > برؤيته أيضا > > باستثناء أعضاء اللجنة الوزاربة ، فلا تقلق لست وحدك فى هذه النقطة :) > > > > بالنسبة لرفض الدعوات السابقة فهذا شىء مناقشته الأن غير مجدية، وان > > كنت أسجل > > للمستقبل رأيى أن أى تصريح صحفى من الوزارة أو غيرها فى مجال اهتمامنا > > يجب أن > > نحدد كيفية الرد عليه او حتى عدم الرد. انما رفض مناقشة أخذ أى رد فعل > > أصلا بحجة > > عدم وضوح المعلومات تؤدى بأى مجتمع للموت البطىئ. > > > > شكرا > > > > On Monday 17 March 2014 11:17:17 Ahmed ElHefnawy wrote: -- Ahmed Mekkawy CEO | Founder [email protected] [email protected] Spirula Systems www.SpirulaSystems.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OpenEgypt" group. 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