> So are you saying that persisted clinical data is never converted to conform
> to newer versions of an achetype, or simply that one is not compelled to
> convert?

Usually there zould be no reason to convert - no more than there would be to 
convert data of archtype A into a form corresponding to archetype B. IN 
openEHR, new versions are only used to upgrade an archetype when a new 
_incompatible_ requirement occurs on an existing archetype. There are unlikely 
to be many of these once you analyse a few possibilities - and it is important 
to 
realise that such changes are most likely to be local.

Most changes that you can think of are dealt with by:
- judicious initial design; e.g. adding 4th sound to BP (systlic and diastolic 
are 
1st and 5th sound pressures respectively) can be done with no changes to the 
BP measurement archetype.

- specialisation: if you want a new kind of lab test to be specifically 
modelled, 
just create a new specialisation of the lab result archetype

- revision: certain changes like adding a new field, or changing a cardinality 
from 1..1 to 1..0 can be made to the current version of the archetype.

- template changes: templates can turn off and on ad rename various parts of 
archetypes with no effect to the archetype semantics.


Hope this helps.

- thomas

> 
> Randolph
> 
> On 11/8/07, Rong Chen <rong.acode at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/8/07, Randolph Neall <randy.neall at veriquant.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thomas, thanks for your extended remarks. Your point is one you've made
> > > for a long time, that relational db schemas cannot keep up with the real
> > > world. I'm just wondering if moving the problem out of the relational DB 
> > > and
> > > into blobs (persisted objects, I take it) solves the problem you so
> > > eloquently depict. Yes, it solves the schema problem. I grant you that. 
> > > But
> > > you're still left with imperfect and changing models even with blobs. I've
> > > read the openEHR specs enough to know that when an archetype version
> > > changes, one is obliged to convert all existing records (blobs) to conform
> > > to the new version, and that, it
> > >
> >
> > That is not true. When an archetype version changes, new data are
> > created/validated by new version of the archetype while old data (blobs or
> > whatever) are still processed by old archetypes. In the root node of the
> > data, there is always information about the archetype (and its version) used
> > to create the data ( LOCATABLE.archetype_details). So there is really no
> > need to convert existing data when archetype changes. Hope this clarifies
> > the matter.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rong
> >



-- 
Thomas Beale
Chief Technology Officer Ocean Informatics



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