> > 2008/10/23 Greg Caulton <caultonpos at gmail.com>
> >
> > I have an Archetype question on openEHR-EHR-CLUSTER.exam.v1
> >
> > The archetype appears to be designed such that the findings can only
> > be expressed with a limited set of attributes - color, location,
> > shape, etc.  - things specific to the archetypes Inspection,
> > Auscultation, Percussion and Palpation
> >
> > This is the hierarchy (or part of it)
> >
> > exam
> >   -- normal statements
> >   ----- normal statement
> >   -- clinical description
> >   -- findings
> >   ----- detail
> >   --------- exam-generic
> >
> >
> > exam-generic
> >   -- object
> >   -- normal statements
> >   ----- normal statement
> >   -- clinical description
> >   -- findings
> >   ----- inspection
> >   ----- auscultation
> >   ----- percussion
> >   ----- palpation
> >   --------- detail
> >   ------------- exam-generic
> >
> >
> > inspection
> > -- findings
> > ----- color description
> > ----- location
> > ----- shape or distribution
> > ----- edge
> > ----- translucent
> > ----- detail
> > --------- exam
> >
> >
> > What I was hoping to find was a free text clinical description under
> > findings that could be used in lieu of the specialized archetypes
> >
> > i.e.
> >
> >   -- normal statements
> >   ----- normal statement
> >   -- clinical description
> >   -- findings
> >   ----- findings description     <<<<<------------------------
> >   ----- detail
> >   --------- exam-generic
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> > Greg

> Hi Greg,
>
> The clinical description element, which is replicated in the inspection,
> palpation and ausculation cluster archetypes should be used to carry any
> free text.
>
> I'm not sure I can see the semantic difference between 'clinical
> description' and
> 'findings/findings description' although I agree that the latter is slightly
> tidier from a human readability perspective.
>
> Do you have a particular use case in mind?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian
>
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Thanks that does help, the use case is building a form to represent this example

==========================================================================
Ms. Jane Doe was seen at our clinic as she was complaining of severe
abdominal pain and
cramps with loss of appetite, and frequent stool motions about 6 times
a day, vomiting and nausea and
sever weakness and malaise. The condition started yesterday by sudden
onset and progressive course
her examination revealed the following:-

General examination:-
On examination she looked weakened and her vital data was as following:
Pulse: 80 beats/min B.P: 120/70 mmgh Temp: 38.5 C R.R: 16
Heart examination: Clinically free & unremarkable.
Chest examination: Clinically free & unremarkable.
Clinical findings: Blah blah
===========================================================================

So I then have the mapping

Story: 1st paragraph
Clinical Description:    On examination she looked weakened and her
vital data was as following:
Vitals:  Pulse: 80 beats/min B.P: 120/70 mmgh Temp: 38.5 C R.R: 16
Normal findings: Heart examination: Clinically free & unremarkable.
Normal findings: Chest examination: Clinically free & unremarkable.
Clinical Description:  Blah blah

I think that is acceptable.

thanks!

Greg


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