Actually, my proposal is not to use archetypes for CDA (although I think 
it would be sensible if HL7 did that), but to define a 'document 
architecture' within openEHR, i.e. a coherent part of the openEHR 
specification stack. We already have what is needed - it is essentially 
the schema for the COMPOSITION, possibly with an envelope around it. 
Problems with HL7 CDA:

    * level 3 is based on RIM structures, which are a very problematic
      way of representing structured clinical information
    * the demographics are included inline, repetitively
    * there is no defined query methodology or semantics
    * it doesn't support distributed versioning and merging


Solutions exist for all of this in openEHR, and packaging it within an 
openEHR Document Architecture (ODA) would provide a better alternative 
for health computing for the future.

Dealing with existing HL7 CDAs is another matter - there will always be 
a cost and complexity associated with them, and this can be dealt with 
by various means using archetypes and templates. But I don't see it as 
the way of the future. We need properly defined, self-consistent health 
information semantics for all types of communications and 
representations within an e-health computing environment.

- thomas

On 04/01/2011 21:06, Sam Heard wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> Thomas has raised the issue of an openEHR Clinical Document off line. 
> The key point is that there are some issues for openEHR and HL7 that 
> require aligning a) the CDA documents that flow around the system with 
> b) EHR systems and openEHR. Most existing systems will bring CDAs in 
> as documents and treat them pretty much like letters (text and PDF) -- 
> with smarter systems getting any structured information and offering 
> to incorporate this data into the system.
>
> CDA is a step forward conceptually and is used more and more as the 
> basis for communication. There are still a number of issues that need 
> to be addressed and also opportunities for openEHR to provide solutions.
>
> 1.Will the data be structured consistently enough for safe processing 
> by receiving systems? This remains uncertain except in highly 
> controlled environments. The problem is that there are limited tools 
> to assess the correctness of data which is largely specified in 
> implementation guides. openEHR archetypes and templates can provide 
> schemas through a formal process that will allow validation of data 
> and also specific transforms to and from CDA (on a per archetype 
> basis). This may improve utility, data quality and consistency of 
> representation across different CDA documents.
>
> 2.CDA documents contain document management information. This is not 
> sufficiently complex to allow exchange of information - it requires 
> serial output from a single source. Such a scheme is appropriate for 
> lab results and other one-way feeds but not for sharing a health 
> summary or other key persistent data. The openEHR specifications are 
> much more attuned to requirements for health summaries including 
> medication lists, past history, obstetric management, operation 
> planning, care plans etc. We need to work with others to make sure the 
> difference between a collection of documents and an EHR is well 
> understood.
>
> 3.CDA documents have participations that are fully populated. This 
> includes identifying information about the client which would not 
> usually be included in data in an EHR. This has implications for 
> anonymisation. The EHR is the environment where identifying 
> information needs to be managed and it seems unlikely that documents 
> that are shared will contain overtly identifying data for many 
> transactions in the future. Shared EHR repositories seem like a better 
> and safer approach but again, we need to look at the requirements and 
> understand the advantages of different approaches. The limited ability 
> to populate other participations (at the composition and entry level) 
> with structured data is an issue in openEHR where demographic data 
> will not be shared between systems and probably should be put forward 
> as a change request to allow data about doctors and other people to be 
> shared without a transfer of demographic data. The CCR has an 
> intermediate approach which may be better than the CDA approach as it 
> allows multiple use of the same personID at different points in the 
> same document/composition.
>
> 4.Unstructured HTML or PDF or text is a feature of many health record 
> documents. OpenEHR has a datatype that allows for storage of this sort 
> of data. At present it is not related to the DV_TEXT and so it is not 
> possible to have formatted text as a text field. There is also a 
> PARAGRAPH type that is a mixture of formatted and DV_TEXT. Natural 
> language processing is attempting to turn clinical records into 
> post-coordinated SNOMED codes. This is interesting work and some form 
> of this approach is likely to be helpful in the future. I do not think 
> openEHR or CDA are well suited to meet these requirements where 
> natural language (and formatted) text is mixed in with structured data 
> that can be processed. CDA runs the two in parallel while openEHR 
> forces explicit structure where required. The openEHR approach is 
> undoubtedly safer but it is worth considering the best approach to 
> meet these needs.
>
> 5.Archetypes assume the openEHR reference model. In the current tools 
> this is somewhat problematic as designers have to know a little about 
> the reference model -- but it is also the most important feature as 
> consistency is critical for safe computing. Mistakes were made early 
> on in not assuming the reference model features and being explicit 
> about some features when there was actually no constraint. We have 
> learned about this and the next round of tooling will need make it 
> easier for designers and not create constraints where none are required.
>
> The main opportunity for which everyone will be grateful is if we can 
> use openEHR archetypes to create consistent CDA and provide the 
> transforms required to move seamlessly from CDA to openEHR and back. 
> This provides a single source of truth and is what many people are 
> seeking. What we need to take this further is:
>
> 1.A standard transformation of a template of an openEHR Composition to 
> HL7 CDA -- converting EHR attributes to CDA attributes -- that does 
> not require explicit modelling of data that is already captured in the 
> openEHR RM. The transformation may require renaming of openEHR RM 
> attributes that are specific for that the template as CDA documents 
> may have different labels that are the same thing in an EHR system 
> (e.g. a prescription may have a 'prescriber' whereas a document may 
> have an 'author' where both are the legal creator of the document).
>
> 2.An archetype to CDA transform (and back) that labels the CDA data in 
> a way that it is clear which archetype this CDA data conforms to. This 
> is needed for each archetype and should be available on CKM.
>
> The openEHR RM should also consider adding a CLUSTER to participation 
> to allow structured data or include participation data in the 
> composition. Other_participations may be the location for this with 
> IDs that are referenced within the composition -- but this is not the 
> planned use and will need some consideration. Some may argue that this 
> should be from the demographic model but I do not think so.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheers, Sam Heard
>
>
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