On 09/09/2011 17:53, Sam Heard wrote:
> Hi Ian
>
> My interest is the pain we get as the tools get developed and tweaked as does 
> ADL and multiple versions.

well, changes to formalisms are different from changes to tools. All 
these things are already or can be version managed, so this is just a 
question of release management.

> Also, if we are to use Thomas' engine it should tip the balance a bit further 
> as installing and updating numerous layers gets even more painful.

Sam, I am not sure what you mean by this. Which 'layers' are you 
referring to?

>
> Finally, web tools are easier to access on multiple devices including mobile.

that's one advantage for sure. But we don't see any 'heavy' tools being 
used over the web yet, e.g. Eclipse, Visual Studio. The time may well 
come when this happens, which would in theory be nicer in terms of tool 
distribution and updating. But it is not as simple as you think:

  * the individual workspace / common repository / check-in & check-out
    model never disappears, it can only be made less obvious
  * individuals make choices to do with tools themselves -
      o which version to stay on,
      o plug-ins,
      o tool configuration, e.g. views, colours, accessibility,
      o integration with other tools

All of this has to live in some individual-specific place, which could 
be on the web. Maybe.

So actually while one aspect of distribution is reduced, others get more 
complicated. Examples of the distribution problem being solved very 
elegantly and cleanly: Debian apt-get (takes care of all dependency 
checking and compatiblity) and Mozilla FireFox (remember it's on your 
desktop, not on the web - its how you get to the web!).

- thomas

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