On 05/04/2013 13:03, Thomas Beale wrote:
>
> [original post by Tim bounced; reposting manually for him]
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Thomas Beale
> <thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com>  wrote:
>
>> if you mean the competing inheritance models - I have yet to meet any XML
>> specialist who thinks they work. The maths are against it.
>>
> Interesting that you, the creator of a technology that makes many
> people very uncomfortable (multi-level modelling), thinks that
> conventional users of XML have something to say regarding XML as a
> multi-level implementation.  Confusing.

not sure what you want to say here!


>> Can you point to some MLHIM models that show specialisation, redefinition,
>> clarity of expression, that sort of thing? I tried to find some but ran into
>> raw XML source.
> There is no need for specialisation or redefinition in MLHIM.  Concept
> Constraint Definitions (CCDS) are immutable once published. In
> conjunction with their included Reference Model version they endure in
> order to remain as the model for that instance data.  Unlike you, I
> believe that the ability to read and validate XML data will be around
> for a looooong time to come.  There is simply too much of it for it to
> go away anytime soon.  When it does go away, there will ways to
> translate it to whatever comes next. Such as there is today.

I don't disagree with that obviously. All openEHR systems I am aware of 
process XML data routinely, including HL7v2 data, and CDAs.

But if you say there is no need for specialisation or redefinition it 
means there is no re-use to speak of - every model is its own thing. 
This is a major departure from the archetype approach, which is founded 
upon model reuse and adaptation.

>> so does openEHR, that's what namespaces are about. If two groups both define
>> a 'blood pressure' archetype today, there is an immediate problem. In the
>> future with namespaced ids, the problem becomes manageable, since both forms
>> can co-exist.
>>
> Thanks for confirming this problem, for today.  I hope that people
> realize the potential issues that they are creating by operating
> outside of the eco-system.  I also hope that whenever, 'the future',
> arrives that people will understand that the need to use this
> namespace capability. Are there estimates yet as to when the future
> will arrive?
>

Now more or less. New versions of the documents are being published 
imminently, and the tooling is catching up to namespaces (also other 
things like annotations).

- thomas

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