You are absolutely right.  Yesterday I where in a meeting with two national 
stakeholders for data specification regarding patient with drug/alcohol 
problems.  The problem we as a vendor and our customers and users face is that 
they ask for almost the same thing.  And they can not agree.  That's when they 
ask if we, as a vendor, can map between the terms.

I said no. I said you have to agree about the meaning of your data.  Then, 
maybe, we can do the mapping.  Or even better: there will be no mapping and we 
can reuse data inside the EHR and between different organisations.

The base of semantic interoperability is in a firm core definition of what the 
data is about.  Then the software can let magic things happen.


Bj?rn N?ss
Product Manager
DIPS ASA

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Fra: Thomas Beale <thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com>
Dato: 31.08.2013 10.12 (GMT+01:00)
Til: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
Emne: Re: openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 18, Issue 50


On 30/08/2013 17:42, William Goossen wrote:

Semantic interoperability is absolutely compromised when for the same clinical 
concept variants of archetypes are created.
If justified for internal system development , the moment exchange with another 
system requires harmonizing on datapoint to datapoint level. I have done about 
2000 in perinatology 800 in stroke care 1250 in youth care 100 in nursing 
oncology 20 in reuma, 400 in general nursing 250 in diabetes care 200 in GP 
care 100 in cardiology. In the past 13 years.
The inconsistencies for the same data element in the various domains are BIG, 
without clinical justifiable reasons.
That same situation exists if you have locally / vendor specific arechetypes .



The same situation exists if you have local, regionally and nationally 
competing HL7 messages, CDAs, FHIR specs, CCDs, DICOM-SR, NCI BRIDG models, and 
all the rest. That is the situation today.

Archetype technology doesn't solve the problem of organisations not 
collaborating, it just gives much better technical support and capability for 
building semantic specifications of content and creating software and UI from 
them.

The sociological problem still needs work. That's why identification, 
governance, and networks of cooperation are important.

Still, we didn't get nowhere. Now everyone seems to agree on how systolic BP 
should be represented :)

- thomas

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