Thanks Silje, Good to know the existing model covers your use case but I am reminded of a previous request to add 'Role' to PARTY_IDENTIFED to allow the exact role of the party to be recorded in a particular context, where clinicians often have multiple roles e.g. GP, out of hours clinician.
Ian . On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 at 09:35, Bakke, Silje Ljosland < silje.ljosland.ba...@nasjonalikt.no> wrote: > Hi, thanks for your replies everyone! I think the function attribute is > sufficient for our use case, as the focus is on what the person did. Their > profession/credentials can be provided by an external knowledge base. > > > > BTW, I tried looking this up using the UML link from the CKM, which led me > here: http://www.openehr.org/releases/1.0.1/reference-models/ > openEHR/UML/HTML/Browsable/_9_0_76d0249_1109066119163_ > 537311_2210Report.html. I then tried to follow the List<PARTICIPATION> > link to http://www.openehr.org/releases/1.0.1/reference-models/ > openEHR/UML/HTML/Browsable/_9_5_76d0249_1118914287896_ > 171737_4134Report.html, which gave me a 404. > > > > Mvh. > > *Silje* > > > > *From:* openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-boun > c...@lists.openehr.org] *On Behalf Of *Ian McNicoll > *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:49 AM > *To:* For openEHR technical discussions <openehr-technical@lists.opene > hr.org> > *Subject:* Re: RM Participations name/role? > > > > Hi David, > > I think your approach is perfectly valid but I suspect would impose an > overhead of complexity that is not always justified or necessary. > > In the original lab system the kind of individual entry tracking you > suggest is probably required to facilitate workflow but by the time it hits > the ehr, that level of granularity is not needed IMO. > > Another good example of the way the health data is summarised and > compressed as it passes through the system. > > Both approaches are valid IMO. > > Ian > > On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 at 08:18, David Moner <dam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm not sure if this is a correct approach. What in the example you call a > function can be in fact a full Action that is being done. That is, if the > function is so relevant that you can even assign a dedicated participant to > it, it should be also enough important to be represented and documented as > an individual entry of the EHR: coded, with start and end times, etc. If > the case is that a complex procedure is composed by other simpler > procedures, then we should document and link all of them. > > > > I see the case of Silje from a different perspective. What she is asking > is if we can document the participants of each Element inside the Entry. So > far this is not possible, as Entries have been always seen as a whole > clinical statement, with all participants assigned to that level. > > > > 2016-11-23 20:47 GMT+01:00 Ian McNicoll <i...@freshehr.com>: > > Hi both > > Agreed. > > Role = pathologist > Function = macroscopic histopath examination. > > Ian. > > On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 at 17:32, Thomas Beale <thomas.be...@openehr.org> > wrote: > > Hi Silje, > > The PARTICIPATION class > <http://www.openehr.org/releases/RM/latest/docs/common/common.html#_overview_3> > has a codable attribute 'function' for this purpose (calling it 'function' > rather than 'role' came from 13606). It may be that you want to state a > 'role' as well, i.e. to say that a certain *kind of person* is required, > and then use function to state the actual function that person is supposed > to do in the particular activity in question. > > I would have expected 'function' to be sufficient for your example - just > use 2 x other_participations on the OBSERVATION. > > An example of needing both could be something like: > > - role = nurse > - function = foley catheterisation > > Currently 'role' is only known in the demographic model, i.e. on the other > side of the PARTY_PROXY.external_ref link. It may make sense to add a role > attribute to PARTICIPATION at some point if we need to distinguish the type > of person (qualification) from what they do in the activity. > > - thomas > > > > On 23/11/2016 06:29, Bakke, Silje Ljosland wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We’re wondering if it’s possible to specify what the role was of each > instance of Participation in an OBSERVATION archetype? For instance in a > histopathology result the macroscopic description will often be performed > by a different person from the microscopic description. We’re thinking both > will be listed using participation, but we need to be able to document > which person did what. > > > > Kind regards, > *Silje Ljosland Bakke* > > > > Information Architect, RN > > Coordinator, National Editorial Board for Archetypes > National ICT Norway > > Tel. +47 40203298 > > Web: http://arketyper.no / Twitter: @arketyper_no > <https://twitter.com/arketyper_no> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > openEHR-technical mailing list > > openEHR-technical@lists.openehr.org > > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical@lists.openehr.org > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_ > lists.openehr.org > > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical@lists.openehr.org > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_ > lists.openehr.org > > > > > > -- > > David Moner Cano > Grupo de Informática Biomédica - IBIME > Instituto ITACA > http://www.ibime.upv.es > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmoner > > Universidad Politécnica de Valencia (UPV) > Camino de Vera, s/n, Edificio G-8, Acceso B, 3ª planta > Valencia – 46022 (España) > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical@lists.openehr.org > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_ > lists.openehr.org > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical@lists.openehr.org > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_ > lists.openehr.org
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