Gerard,

I think there is not much disagreement here. In our project, we had to physicially delete from our XDS repos and the registry. However, we would keep the ATNA logging files and the database backup. This might sound a bit inconsistent but that has been the reality in our state. While I agree with your statements regarding physical deletes, I still consider the delete in our use-case not as "logical" because the data objects were really to be deleted from the databases of the operational systems. The vendor from Austria had to change their IHE solution to physically delete the data instead of just flagging it.

What else is to say? There cleraly are use-cases for openEHR that go beyond the classic EHR scenarios. Therefore, there need to be ways described by the spec to support physical deletes (in the sense of the example given above) as well as logical deletes.

Best,

Birger


There should still be a way to differen ) but you are certainly right that

Am 06.11.2017 um 11:57 schrieb GF:
Small example.

As GP I had scanned early 1990’s to CD’s all ‘Green cards’, meaning patient records.
I can not remove these files on write-only media.
But logically they were removed because they were all archived and stored in a vault.
My EHR-system had no access to these scans.
All this might give frowns by the legal profession.

Logical deletion is possible at best.
Logical deletion means that that data no longer is actively used in health care provision processes. Absolute and full Physical deletion many times is impossible, or not practical.


Gerard

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On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:43, Karsten Hilbert <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

On Mon, Nov 06, 2017 at 11:38:23AM +0100, GF wrote:

2- Physical deletion is NOT ...

... easy and often practically next to impossible.

possible. During the life cycle
of data data collections are backed-up. This can be in write
once, read many times,  media. Sometimes complete databases
are replicated as back-up.

While true it draws blank stares from legal or political.

So we need to declare "deleted" to mean "deleted-as-much-as-possible".

Karsten
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