Although I will add, and I think someone has already suggested this, at least we only have to do this mapping once for each FHIR resource. So as a openEHR/FHIR community we should aim for a set of templates, as Thomas indicated, a set of FHIR extensions, and a library of mappings and transforms. Sounds like LinkEHR has some capacity to do the mappings but from a community asset perspective we need a Implementation independent technology for the transform. Back in my day of doing HL7 v2 or CDA mappings, this was done using XSLT. I think someone mentioned a JSON equivalent? I still think XSLT would be a good common denominator although perhaps seen as ancient.
Regards Heath ________________________________ From: Heath Frankel Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:23:31 AM To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: openEHR on FHIR and vice versa Thanks Pablo, I second that. Regards Heath _____________________________ From: Pablo Pazos <pablo.pa...@cabolabs.com<mailto:pablo.pa...@cabolabs.com>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:36 am Subject: Re: openEHR on FHIR and vice versa To: For openEHR technical discussions <openehr-technical@lists.openehr.org<mailto:openehr-technical@lists.openehr.org>> Yes, in fact the closest we can get to automatic transformations is just defining the mappings between openEHR classes and the correspondent FHIR resources, and feed that to a system that, for a specific openEHR instance, provides a mapper user with constrained options of FHIR resources to choose from, and vice-versa, given a FHIR resource, provide the options of openEHR classes to map to. Then will end up mapping fields of correspondent types. No magic here for now :( But I believe this process can be more intelligent, if we add extra metadata to the definitions (like SNOMED CT annotations with concept ids and expressions), and we have a lot of instance samples where AI algorithms can run on and detect semantic matches. Still, a human needs to do some manual work, but maybe less with the extra help of metadata+AI. Thinking of 100% automatic generic transformations between any instance of two different information models is currently just science fiction IMHO :), or for a political correct answer: it is an open problem. On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:58 AM Ian McNicoll <i...@freshehr.com<mailto:i...@freshehr.com>> wrote: I agree Pablo and we have to remember that the number of high-quality, truly interoperable FHIR profiles is going to be very small for a long time. @Dileep V S<mailto:dil...@healthelife.in> - we have started to put FHIR bindings in CKM archetypes but in practice, the FHIR-openEHR mappings will between local FHIR profiles and local templates - see https://github.com/inidus/openehr-care-connect-adaptor There are various attempts at automation including the Ripple QEWD Jumper work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaGGGgJdWvM but it will still need quite a lot of manual input. Ian Dr Ian McNicoll mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 office +44 (0)1536 414994 skype: ianmcnicoll email: i...@freshehr.com<mailto:i...@freshehr.com> twitter: @ianmcnicoll [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0BzLo3mNUvbAjUmNWaFZYZlZ5djg&revid=0BzLo3mNUvbAjRzZKc0JpUXl2SkRtMDJ0bkdUcUQxM2dqSVdrPQ] Co-Chair, openEHR Foundation ian.mcnic...@openehr.org<mailto:ian.mcnic...@openehr.org> Director, freshEHR Clinical Informatics Ltd. Director, HANDIHealth CIC Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 at 18:26, Pablo Pazos <pablo.pa...@cabolabs.com<mailto:pablo.pa...@cabolabs.com>> wrote: I also did some mapping work FHIR -> openEHR using Mirth, but this is ad-hoc, no automatic mapping yet, for that you need to define a lot of constraints to make it work automatically. Maybe some semi-automatic tool come out in the future, assisting architects on doing such mappings, either way some kind of human intervention will be needed to define mapping criteria when there are 1 to * mapping possibilities. On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 8:01 AM Jan-Marc Verlinden <jan-m...@medrecord.io<mailto:jan-m...@medrecord.io>> wrote: We are doing something similar at the moment. but instead of doing this inside the archetype we are considering the use of an external mapping tool like Mirth Connect or OpenHIM. But we are not there yet.. :-) Jan-Marc Verlinden www.medrecord.io<http://www.medrecord.io> www.medsafe.io<http://www.medsafe.io> 0653785650 Op vr 14 dec. 2018 om 11:49 schreef Diego Boscá <yamp...@gmail.com<mailto:yamp...@gmail.com>>: Hello Georg, The main result of that paper was supporting FHIR as a reference model to define archetypes (you can do that with no limitations on the currently available tool). There is no openEHR archetype <-> FHIR profile service yet, although I believe that providing a openEHR -> FHIR generical transformation could be feasible. Most of the results of this work are available as import/export functions in LinkEHR: Importing StructureDefinitions should work for most things (in fact, I have been updating this part recently and will have better support for STU3 in next LinkEHR version we publish). The export feature is in the original DSTU format though, I assume we should go further and generate StructureDefinitions as in STU3. For the transformation of data instances, as I said we use archetypes as way to express FHIR profiles and resources, so transforming between them is no more difficult than transforming between openEHR, CDA, ISO13606, ODM, etc. which you can do with the LinkEHR studio (FYI, the LinkEHR Studio version available on the website allows you to test this mapping/transformation part, the only thing you won't be able to do is to export the output XQuery transformation) Regards El vie., 14 dic. 2018 a las 11:19, Georg Fette (<georg.fe...@uni-wuerzburg.de<mailto:georg.fe...@uni-wuerzburg.de>>) escribió: Hello, I have just read the paper "Combining Archetypes with Fast Health Interoperability Resources in Future-proof Health Information Systems", in which the representation of openEHR archetypes as FHIR profiles is presented. As I am also trying to use this approach and I wonder if there are working and publicly available applications (possibly emerged from the above mentioned research) that use that approach ? I am especially interested in: - transforming openEHR archetypes into FHIR profiles (StructureDefinitions) and storing them in a FHIR server. - transforming FHIR profiles into openEHR archetypes and storing them in an openEHR server. - transforming openEHR archetype instances into FHIR resources (Bundles) and storing them in a FHIR server. - transforming FHIR resources into openEHR instances and storing them in an openEHR server. Greetings Georg -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dipl.-Inf. 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