Hi, Ray, let's catch that positivity you mention as the end of this debate.
See you soon by these places! Regards. 2013/10/22 Ray Carnes <[email protected]> > Hi Pedro, > > > > Thanks for the clarification. > > > > If I see an email that I think will damage my ability to sell services > with OpenERP, because I think it doesn’t accurately portray the attitude > and approach I see from so many partners , I want to politely and > respectfully ask those writing it to consider how it may affect others. > > > > People are joining this community every day. Some of them are seeing > slides created by OpenERP partners with very strong and ‘over-reacted’ > messages on websites who’s only purpose is to spread FUD about OpenERP. > Our competitors seize on these things to make OpenERP look bad. Some of > the community read the emails that get sent out and wonder how cohesive the > community really is. Some of them (my customers) ask why there is such a > violent reaction from the community about the res.partner model changes in > the last release and if it is a sign that OpenERP is not ‘ready’ for them > to use. > > > > This is bad for my business, and probably for others. Healthy debate is > required, refusing to consider anyone else’s’ perspective but your own > (demanding to be ‘right’) is damaging. > > > > Rafael is one of the biggest assets OpenERP has – but can also be one of > the biggest liabilities also (I’ve heard this from my customers). I like > most of what Rafael does, but not all. > > > > I prefer to think of what ‘I’ am doing is sharing my perspective (and I > don’t take it too seriously – I just want to make sure the praise for the > community and for OpenERP is shared as often as the criticisms). I want > positivity! > > > > Everyone is free to say whatever they want – including me! > > > > Thanks for the time you took reading my email! > > > > Ray. > > > > *From:* Pedro Manuel Baeza Romero [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2013 3:45 PM > *To:* Ray Carnes; openerp-community > > *Subject:* Re: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module > > > > Thank you Ray for the explanation, and let me make a copy to the whole > list. > > When I said Eric, maybe I meant also you, because your two e-mails are a > little - please allow me this expression - over-reacted. It's clear that > not everyone is happy with OpenERP S.A. attitude, but, hey, everyone here > is trying to contribute and get a wonderful ecosystem around the core. The > other day I wrote in this list that I love the way community repositories > are growing, and this is due to the great collaboration that a lot of > people is doing, including for example Raphaël himself. > > Maybe that word was a little malicious, but I think it's an escape method > that everyone has used some time (irony, sarcasm, and so on..). Please > don't take it too much seriously. > > Let's continue this great thing! > > > Regards. > > > > 2013/10/22 Ray Carnes <[email protected]> > > Hi Pedro, > > > > Eric is responding to my two emails that I wrote after reading the word > ‘banned’ in P. Christeas’ comment at the bottom of this email thread, after > reading the word ‘resistance’ in a comment Rafael Valyi wrote earlier today. > > > > If you read from the bottom up, you will understand his comment. > > > Ray. > > > > *From:* Openerp-community [mailto:openerp-community-bounces+rcarnes= > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Pedro Manuel > Baeza Romero > *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2013 3:27 PM > *To:* openerp-community > > > *Subject:* Re: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module > > > > Hi, Eric, I don't understand why are you talking about this. Is there > something I have missed? > > Regards. > > > > 2013/10/22 Eric Caudal <[email protected]> > > This is not a perfect world and you have to play with the cards you are > given indeed. > Not contributing because of "OpenERP sa" is finally a double penalty... > (they are not perfect but they have made as well a lot of good as well and > not contributing doesnot help solving their mistakes) > > Eric Caudal > > *CEO* > > -- > > *Elico Corporation, Shanghai branch* > > *OpenERP Premium Certified Training Partner * > > Cell: + 86 186 2136 1670 > > Office: + 86 21 6211 8017/27/37 > > Skype: elico.corp > > [email protected] > > http://www.elico-corp.com > > > > On 10/22/2013 04:29 AM, Ray Carnes wrote: > > I've already heard back from one of you that thinks I am naïve. I don't > > agree. > > > > Are you a football fan? > > > > Three referees were talking. One had just finished calling his first > > game, the next had been working for 20 years, the last was about to > > retire. The youngest and newest said he had learned he had to call the > > penalties AS HE SAW THEM. The second laughed and said he did that too > > when he was first in the game, but now he called the penalties AS THEY > > ARE. While the younger ref thought this was interesting, the retiring ref > > laughed at both of them and said he knew by now that THERE IS NO PENALTY > > UNTIL I CALL IT A PENALTY. > > > > > > My point? > > > > I understand - I do. I've heard a lot of the dirty laundry from others. > > I know there are a lot of upset people in the community. I know we are > > the 'new kids' on the block. > > > > I stand by what I wrote - even though there has been wasted energy in the > > past, it is YOUR choice to be frustrated with OpenERP and keep that from > > making you even more successful than you are. > > > > They are doing the best with what they have - they aren't perfect and they > > are not scheming to make you waste time on purpose. They are just doing > > 'things' and you are making these things into frustrations and wasted > > energy. > > > > Hey - I hated my parents for 40 years before I realized they just did what > > they did, they didn't mean to upset me, frustrate me or make me feel bad - > > they just made choices. 'I' was the one who gave those choices meanings. > > > > You have the choice - you can choose to continue to feel like they are the > > 'bad' guys or you can spend your energy making things better. It is only > > a penalty if you call it a penalty. > > > > I wish everyone the very best with OpenERP and everything else you all do. > > > > I will still think this way in 15 years, no matter what OpenERP does. > > > > Ray. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ray Carnes [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:43 PM > > To: 'P. Christeas'; 'Markus Schneider'; '[email protected]' > > Cc: '[email protected]' > > Subject: RE: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module > > > > I'd like to welcome everyone who feels slighted by OpenERP S.A back to the > > ONE SINGLE PRODUUCTIVE AND COOPERATIVE OpenERP Community. > > > > I see a lot of frustrated comments and I presume there is a lot of energy > > spent in ways that could be re-directed for the benefit of all of us. > > > > We can't change the world without EVERYONE's help folks! Together we can > > make OpenERP the best ERP in the world. As individuals, factions and > > infighters we can't. > > > > Our customers (and potential customers) notice this and so do our > > competitors. > > > > 'banned' and 'resistance' - has that approach really been working that > > well for you? It is getting you what you want? > > > > 'teamwork' and 'understanding' - these approaches have been working REALLY > > well for me and the company I work for. OpenERP has provided a platform > > that has helped us TRIPLE the size of our company in 12 months. > > > > I encourage you to 'come back'... > > > > Things just happen, they aren't meant as attacks on what you believe in... > > > > > > Don't take it personally, don't take your toys and go home sad and mad - > > > > be part of the solution that benefits everyone. (please!) > > > > Ray Carnes, > > Ursa Information Systems > > OpenERP Gold Partner > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Openerp-community > > [mailto:openerp-community-bounces+rcarnes=ursainfosystems.com@lists.launch > <openerp-community-bounces+rcarnes=ursainfosystems.com@lists.launch> > > pad.net] On Behalf Of P. Christeas > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:07 PM > > To: Markus Schneider; [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module > > > > On Monday 21 October 2013, Markus Schneider wrote: > > is there any list of 'interesting' OpenERP Branches like this one? > > > > There is even some "banned" ones, that SA. will not want you to ever know > > of.. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openerp-community > > Post to : [email protected] > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openerp-community > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openerp-community > > Post to : [email protected] > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openerp-community > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openerp-community > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openerp-community > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > >
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